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Wild-Kat |
Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 16 2009, 12:56 PM EDT
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In Dream Logic, we learn that Peter suffered from nightmares as a child, but that Walter taught him to repeat a mantra which helped him forget. Thoughts and theories? Any other possibilities? Please add 'em here!
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jbehme |
1. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 16 2009, 2:40 PM EDT
The 3 answers we're told to chose from are all wrong, I suspect. Peter has memories of his dimension of origin and possibly his abduction.
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KayFlame |
2. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 16 2009, 4:02 PM EDT
i completly agree with jbehme. i pick the second option (walter performing experiments) for the sake of choosing an option, but i instantly thought when he mentioned them in the episode that Peter's childhood dreams were awful memories of Crossing Over.
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Canadadreamgirl |
3. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 16 2009, 6:57 PM EDT
Because I suffered from nightmares when I was younger, I had to teach myself to be calm before going to sleep, so I perfectly understand his father teaching him the meme! but I instantly knew, like jbeheme, that Peter's nightmares were related to his kidnapping and being taken over to the other side. I think the meme would work for a child if they wanted it to - and it shows that maybe Peter trusted this new dad that he listened to him. "It was one of the few times I remember my father paying me attention," peter said, about the dreams. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Wild-Kat |
4. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 16 2009, 8:27 PM EDT
Good call for the poll, added new option!
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LeafVillage |
5. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 17 2009, 9:48 AM EDT
I definitely think these are memories from his crossover, though Walter doing experiments on him would be an interesting plot too.
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sarasayshi |
6. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 17 2009, 10:28 PM EDT
Remember in season 1 Walter talked about doing experiments on Peter when he was a kid, but peter doesn't remember them? Maybe Walter killed his own son during an experiment, and went to the other universe to get his double. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
kiwilovesfringe! |
7. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 18 2009, 1:47 AM EDT
"Maybe Walter killed his own son during an experiment, and went to the other universe to get his double. "Ooooo...freaky. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SwampFairy |
8. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 19 2009, 5:44 PM EDT
Peter also mentioned that from age 7 onwards, no more nightmares. According to the gravestone, age seven was when Peter died. So maybe Peter had nightmares in one world, but when Walter kidnapped him, he stopped. In the flash of nightmare we saw, it also looked like Walter grabbing a boy- presumably Peter. Maybe that was his memory of being kidnapped.
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Canadadreamgirl |
9. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 19 2009, 5:54 PM EDT
"Peter also mentioned that from age 7 onwards, no more nightmares. According to the gravestone, age seven was when Peter died. So maybe Peter had nightmares in one world, but when Walter kidnapped him, he stopped. In the flash of nightmare we saw, it also looked like Walter grabbing a boy- presumably Peter. Maybe that was his memory of being kidnapped."Definitely agree that he was dreaming about his kidnapping. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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KayFlame |
10. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 23 2009, 5:59 PM EDT
i faintly remember peter saying age eight was when they stopped, but i could be wrong. i don't aways have the best memory... :-) and i really hope that walter didn't kill his own son. that'd be pushing the envelope a bit too much on Abrams part.
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sarasayshi |
11. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 23 2009, 6:58 PM EDT
Yeah, I heard 8 too.
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SwampFairy |
12. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 24 2009, 3:23 PM EDT
"i faintly remember peter saying age eight was when they stopped, but i could be wrong. i don't aways have the best memory... :-) and i really hope that walter didn't kill his own son. that'd be pushing the envelope a bit too much on Abrams part."Hee hee sorry, 8 is right. And I think it would be bad if Walter had accidently killed Peter, but at the same time, it would add a nice little aditional level of angst. Not that we need more, not with John and Charlie and Olivia and Greg and Walter's memory and Peter's past... etc. And etc. And etc. Honestly, this is one of the angstiest shows on fox. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jjonesey |
13. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 25 2009, 8:30 AM EDT
"Hee hee sorry, 8 is right. And I think it would be bad if Walter had accidently killed Peter, but at the same time, it would add a nice little aditional level of angst. Not that we need more, not with John and Charlie and Olivia and Greg and Walter's memory and Peter's past... etc. And etc. And etc. Honestly, this is one of the angstiest shows on fox."I agree Walter killing Peter would take away the sympathy we need to have for the guy to put up with his ah quirky? behavior. After reading alot of posts, which has been quite insightful, I offer this. Peter -Was 8 when he "died", (gravestone) -Walter makes reference to him being very sick as a child(season 1) (I can't remember which one, it first introduced the possibility)Peter says he was never sick. -When his nightmares started he was about 8, also the time he remembers his dad actually being there for him for once. (dream logic) -Appears to be about 25-26yo now. Walter, 17 years mental institution for blowing up the lab(bringing Peter across?) 17 years + 8 years =25 years peters current age. The hole in the theory would be the mantra taught to peter AFTER he was brought over. Unless he didn't go to jail immediately, went insane at a later date, long trial and what about the lab assistant? Did she really get blown up? Probably. Unless she had been some pet project. That's everything I have and that is mostly thanks to everyone contributing on these posts, you guys pose some great questions and theories. you have to love this show. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SwampFairy |
14. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 25 2009, 1:03 PM EDT
Also, there were the coins. Walter talked about how Peter played with them when he was scared, but he doesn't remember any of it. And there was something weird about one of them, I just can't remember what.
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PetitLolita3 |
15. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Oct 30 2009, 1:48 AM EDT
I think the reason Peter cant remember any of the memories Walter talks about is because Peter is of the other dimension and never had those memories. They belong to the deceased Peter.17 + 8 = 25yrs, but is his character really passable for that age?? ;) He seems to have an 'otherworldly' intellegnce about him. I believe we will see his potential very soon in this season. I agree about the mantr for the nightmares. I think any 8yr old hopping dimensions will have horrible memories of something they dont quite understand. Thus bringing on the nightmares until Walter taught him how to alm himself. I believe Walter did not go to jail immediately bc Peter does remember some qualities of homelife with Walter. But I'm sure the guilt of Peter and perhaps the death of his old lab assistant teetered him over the edge into insanity? The weird thing about the coin is it was the only thing Peter brought back with him from the other dimention. If you remember, they mention the other dimension is just like our world with little, suttle differences. That coin is proof of the other world. That episode ends with Walter placing that 'weird' coin on Peter's (8yr old) grave. Who was the woman from the episode where they're trying to find the shape-shifter? She seems like she's some important actress or had some role in the LSD/hallucinagen movement of the 60's maybe??? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fringefan67 |
16. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Nov 9 2009, 4:01 PM EST
So I agree with everyone about walter having brought Peter from the otherside. Here are a few ideas I have on the matter....When Olivia crossed over she had delayed "side effects" from crossing over so perhaps Walter's mental break down was his "side effect." Also, his partner William Bell, stated I believe in an earlier episode that he could not cross over back into his reality due to consequences we are unaware of, and also remember when the man who escaped from prison used Walter's device to teleport himself out of prison using Fringe technology and the consequences he suffered?Also, there was an episode where walter was relating an accident which he and Peter were in, in which there car was submerged under water, and the "Observer" pulled them to safety....? I think the real Peter may have died in that accident which is why the current Peter has no memories up until a certain age, and does not remember the accident. Those are my conspiracy theories... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jbehme |
17. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Nov 9 2009, 8:11 PM EST
"I think the reason Peter cant remember any of the memories Walter talks about is because Peter is of the other dimension and never had those memories. They belong to the deceased Peter.In response to the last paragraph: I was there in the sixties and I can't remember her. Heck, I can't even remember the sixties because i was there. That is...I think I was. :) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jojade33 |
18. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Nov 11 2009, 3:16 AM EST
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I believe in the 2nd episode we learned that Peter was around 13 when his father was sent to the institution. so 13 +17= 30 years. maybe even 31 or 32. It was during the episode when Peter and Olivia search Walter's old hiding places, one of which was at Peter's childhood home. I think there is another references in a later episode, to his age but I can't remember which one. He became a nomad around 15-16, and it was 15 years after that before Walter and Peter reunited (Ep. 9 or 10 the fight in the hardware store). Besides Olivia is 29, and it is made very clear that they are very close in age.
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dovey7891 |
19. RE: Fringe Poll #3: Theories on Peter's boyhood nightmares
Nov 11 2009, 6:55 AM EST
There is a key to who can cross, and why. You cannot share the same reality as your alter ego. So, when you cross over, intentionally, your alter ego is forced into your reality, and you step into their's. If your alter dies, in his or her reality, you cannot cross anymore, because the space you would need has closed. Peter is not Walter's biological son, in either reality. It was his wife's son from her first marriage. When her Peter became ill, was dying, Walter took him over to the other reality to exchange him for the Peter who was healthy. When Walter's wife discovered what he had done, although she was unaware of his research and how bizarre it was, she went to his lab to try to find a way to get her Peter back, or go to him, and died trying. Thus, Walter lost his mind in grief and blamed Peter, as well as himself for her death. So, Peter can remember bits and pieces of his boyhood, but doesn't understand alot of what he remembers, because in the reality where he was born, he had a happy home with his biological parents. In this one, he has no mother, and a "crazy" father. The shock of being forced to cross over is part of the reason for the nightmares. It would be enough to give any of us nightmares...
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