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Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 8:39 PM EDT
**SYNOPSIS**The Fringe team travels cross-country to Seattle after learning of a mysterious incident involving a man who attacked his boss because he believed he was an evil ram-horned creature. As these puzzling events continue, the team tirelessly explores strange and creepy links to dreams. And away we go! Do you find this valuable? |
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1. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 9:40 PM EDT
"**SYNOPSIS**I would love to comment on this past episode; unfortunately, I don't watch Fringe via television. I catch the episode when it is posted on the site. Do you find this valuable? |
Woolyworm |
2. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 10:01 PM EDT
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They are really starting to lose me..... The stuff from season one was, yes way out there, but a tiny bit believable. This year they seem to be throwing even borderline science out the widow.
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DynamicOne |
3. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 10:04 PM EDT
...and so the Peter dreams begin.How quaint that a show revolving around dreams would end with Peter waking from one. The Sam Weiss character is beginning to annoy me. Bowling and word anagrams for rehabilitation, bleh. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 10:09 PM EDT
Glyph code word this week is 'BETRAY'. Hmmmm.
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SEfanA |
5. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 10:11 PM EDT
"...and so the Peter dreams begin.I'm going to have to watch that episode again. I feel that conversation about his dreams that Peter had with Olivia, and that last dream scene both have clues in them, but it's hard to catch that stuff the first time around. And that Last Part about the anagram in the business cards almost made me cry. Do you find this valuable? |
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SEfanA |
6. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 10:13 PM EDT
"Glyph code word this week is 'BETRAY'. Hmmmm. "The scene went by a little quick to be sure, but what if the nightmare Peter had at the end of the episode was when Walter "took" him from the other reality. That could be the betrayal that's hinted about. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 10:22 PM EDT
"I'm going to have to watch that episode again. I feel that conversation about his dreams that Peter had with Olivia, and that last dream scene both have clues in them, but it's hard to catch that stuff the first time around.Exactly! I almost never catch Baldo or the tiny stuff the first time around. Mostly because you really have to pay attention to the actual story to get a really good understanding in the first place. I don't know why that part almost made me cry too. I knew it was something along those lines, but when she actually wrote it down... darn Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 10:52 PM EDT
I am desperately trying not to go super-geek on you here, but I think you are right that Peter's dream was the memory of being grabbed from the other universe. There is a poster of Space Shuttle Challenger on his boyhood bedroom wall and although Challenger was flying in 1984, I don't think it was in space on the date displayed on that poster. Check the dates at http://space.balettie.com/ShuttleHistory.html
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9. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 15 2009, 11:51 PM EDT
"I would love to comment on this past episode; unfortunately, I don't watch Fringe via television. I catch the episode when it is posted on the site."Two things; 1st, I was able to watch Episode 4 last week right after it aired but I'm not able to watch Episode 5 this week right now. What's up?!!!!! 2nd, Joshua Jackson does a quick interview on this site about the upcoming season and he says you can just jump into any episode and not have to worry about what's going on because there is no running storyline. That's not true in the slightest, there is a running storyline as you all know. Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 12:12 AM EDT
"The scene went by a little quick to be sure, but what if the nightmare Peter had at the end of the episode was when Walter "took" him from the other reality. That could be the betrayal that's hinted about. "I was thinking the same thing...and I'm guessing that was the recurring nightmare he had throughout his childhood too... Do you find this valuable? |
CinCin87 |
11. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 12:25 AM EDT
Hi Fringe addicts!I have personnally been happy and deceived with the new season of Fringe... some episodes seem to be thrown around with lots of stuff that do not have to do with the main story or whatever has been started in season 1 in order to keep us watching. A show like tonight didn't give us pretty much any clues except Peter's dreams. Even then, what's happening to Broyle and Nina's kiss? The ZFT manuscript? Olivia's drug testings? Olivia's 11 or however many tests by Jones? Where is Jones? So many unanswered questions. It would be intesresting to see some things wrapping up before starting new ones or else we will be really confused and end up lost. I don't know if it has anything to do with something but in tonight's episode the lights that Olivia turned off with her gun at the end to stop that professor's suicide dream were green and red....??? another clue? Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 1:19 AM EDT
I am thinking that what Peter repeated to Olivia to forget his dreams is the same phrase William Bell gave her to tell Peter. He told her he would understand. Understand the alternate universe? Just a thought. I remember the bowling man telling her, "I hope your not afraid of red." Not sure if that meant the red on the panel. Ya, just some ranting after the show. Sweet. I agree. Lots of questions. Still, I am hooked.
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13. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 1:38 AM EDT
"I am desperately trying not to go super-geek on you here, but I think you are right that Peter's dream was the memory of being grabbed from the other universe. There is a poster of Space Shuttle Challenger on his boyhood bedroom wall and although Challenger was flying in 1984, I don't think it was in space on the date displayed on that poster. Check the dates at http://space.balettie.com/ShuttleHistory.html"According to the website: Chronology of Human Space Exploration Part 6: 1975 - 1984, http://www.ispyspace.com/1975_to_1984.html there were no Space Shuttle flights on June 28, 1984. April 6 - 13, 1984 -- STS 41-C; Challenger; crewed by Robert L. Crippen, Francis R. Scobee, George D. Nelson, Terry J. Hart, and James D. van Hoften; carried Long Duration Exposure Facility; Solar Maximum Mission satellite repair. (USA) April 15, 1984 -- Progress 20; unmanned resupply mission to Salyut-7. (USSR) May 7, 1984 -- Progress 21; unmanned resupply mission to Salyut-7. (USSR) May 28, 1984 -- Progress 22; unmanned resupply mission to Salyut-7. (USSR) July 6, 1984 -- Suborbital launch of BOR-5 from Kapustin Yar; 1:8 scale test model of Buran Space Shuttle. (USSR) July 17 - 29, 1984 -- Soyuz T-12; crewed by Vladimir Dzhanibekov, Svetlana Savitskaya, and Igor Volk; mission to Salyut-7; Savitskaya became first woman to perform an EVA. (USSR) August 14, 1984 - Progress 23; unmanned resupply mission to Salyut-7. (USSR) One Peter was dead, and Walter was taking the other Peter to our world. Do you find this valuable? |
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14. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 1:40 AM EDT
"I am desperately trying not to go super-geek on you here, but I think you are right that Peter's dream was the memory of being grabbed from the other universe. There is a poster of Space Shuttle Challenger on his boyhood bedroom wall and although Challenger was flying in 1984, I don't think it was in space on the date displayed on that poster. Check the dates at http://space.balettie.com/ShuttleHistory.html"The Space Shuttle Challenger exploded on January 28th, 1986, which was it's 10th mission. The poster stated it was it's 11th mission, but the date was June 28, 1984. Thank you Wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 12:03 PM EDT
This ep's song was Emerson Lake and Palmer, From the Beginning.Among other lyrics, ".....you were meant to be here..." Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 12:58 PM EDT
Also on young Peter's dresser is an Intel Play Microscope, these came out in 1998 I believe. Peter was abducted 19 years ago, in 1990. Is this a continuity error or is this demonstrating that the alternate universe is 10 years more advanced technologically than our universe?
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17. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 1:37 PM EDT
"The scene went by a little quick to be sure, but what if the nightmare Peter had at the end of the episode was when Walter "took" him from the other reality. That could be the betrayal that's hinted about. "Hey SEfanA, I am thinking the exact same thing, remember Peter said his nightmare stop between 8-19 years old (the real Peter die when he was 7!) So what the current Alt-Peter dreaming could very well be the incident where he got snatched by our Walter. I, for one, loved this episode: - the nightmare theme: The doctor addiction to dream becomes his nightmare and the only way to stop it is killing himself via overdose of dreams. Olivia's nightmarish life can only be resolved by her facing the demons of Charlie passing away (and somehow letting her knows that "she's gonna be fine" ... sob ... sob...); and Peter's nightmare of being snatched in the middle of the night would have to be resolved somehow ..... (in future episode) - love that TPTB brings back a lot of Walter science lab explanation that helps solve the case. - love how it seems to be a stand alone episode but it actually ties into the mythology of Peter being snatched from the Alternate reality. - Love how TPTB give a nice tribute and closure to Charlie Francis' passing and how Olivia mourns his death (fantastic job by Anna Torv). - Love the mischievous Walter interaction with agent Cashner! Hummmm .... I was so into it that I miss Baldo, has to go back and re-watch! Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 4:12 PM EDT
"Also on young Peter's dresser is an Intel Play Microscope, these came out in 1998 I believe. Peter was abducted 19 years ago, in 1990. Is this a continuity error or is this demonstrating that the alternate universe is 10 years more advanced technologically than our universe? "It might be difficult to draw any conclusions from these background items because his dream memory could be from when he was in his original universe and things could have happened differently there. Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Episode 2.05 Dream Logic - After Show Chatter
Oct 16 2009, 6:21 PM EDT
"The scene went by a little quick to be sure, but what if the nightmare Peter had at the end of the episode was when Walter "took" him from the other reality. That could be the betrayal that's hinted about. "That's what I thought too, that Peter's nightmare was about when Walter came and took him. Did you see how his eyes changed? That was really creepy. As soon as Peter told Olivia about when he'd started having nightmares at age 8, I guessed it was about being kidnapped, so it was a lovely bit of continuity to have it at the end of the show. Also, Peter's nightmares stopped after his father left them (went to St Claire's) when he was 17, so it's right on cue that now they are living together again, the nightmares would start again. I have to say that this story line is fascinating. I spent all day thinking about it, wondering how Peter is going to react when he finds out, how Olivia is going to react - it will be another betrayal by Walter for both, though obviously most importantly for Peter. That look on Walter's face as he stared at Peter, like he longed to tell him and was terrified, such a haunted, terrible look. As for the episode storyline, I liked the episode, and the stuff with the dreams is spot on - people die if they can't dream (that is true), and it's an interesting if awful idea that dreams can be stolen. The best part was Olivia and Peter talking to each other, confiding. I really want them eventually to get together and it was really good to see them open up a little to each other. I thought it was part of Olivia's character to run away they way she did when she realized how much she was saying - she prides herself on being a loner - and that little comment he makes as she dashes out the door - he was hurt. I wanted to cry too when she figures out Charlie's amagram. I liked that they showed her saying goodbye to him. I miss Charlie! Do you find this valuable? |
