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Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 14 2009, 3:04 AM EDT
And here's why I think it might be the case.1. Bell said it's impossible for people to cross-over unless they're special, a la Olivia. Well, Peter's here too. 2. Wouldn't it be safe to assume alt-Walter/Bell would've done their own version of the experiments? And since there's no alt-Olivia that we know of, is it not possible that Walter did the experiment on his own child? Perhaps the whole war was started because alt-Peter, the strongest like Olivia is in our world, was stolen. 3. We all want him to be more than just a sidekick, no? In any case, I really hope they'll give him a better story. Being a misunderstood genius can only go so far. Do you find this valuable?
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WadeSD |
1. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 14 2009, 8:11 AM EDT
"And here's why I think it might be the case.Amen and I agree. I am counting down when the whole "Peter from an alternate reality" actually means something. If Olivia can get abilities because she is "supposedly" the guardian then peter should be special too in all this. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 14 2009, 10:37 AM EDT
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It would be totally cliche on so many levels, but perhaps having Peter be the evil to Olivia's good might not be such a bad idea. I've never really perceived Peter as a good guy.
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NEDSTER1972 |
3. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 16 2009, 9:59 AM EDT
I think that walter only took peter from the alt universe because his son was dying & he could not face losing him.but i also think that this may have caused the rift between the two universes as walter messed with the space time continuum. either way it is going to be a great season of fringe. i also like the reference to the "first wave" in the last episode reminds me of the scifi series i also used to watch years ago about a guy & his sidekick traveling around in a camper van following the nostrodamus quatrains. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 16 2009, 2:29 PM EDT
Maybe the alt-universe's Walter became "evil" after the other Walter took his son away from him...
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5. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 16 2009, 9:56 PM EDT
After watching list last episode when Peter had the dream at the end I think your right. I think Walter snatched Peter from the alt universe. I can't help but think Peter has a bigger story in this.
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itaintrite |
6. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 16 2009, 10:06 PM EDT
"After watching list last episode when Peter had the dream at the end I think your right. I think Walter snatched Peter from the alt universe. I can't help but think Peter has a bigger story in this."I think they made it pretty clear at the end of last season when Walter visited a Peter's grave. And you know what, after the latest episode and the dream sequence, I think it was hilarious (and now makes sense) when Walter commented on how Peter isn't fat heh. Seems like the Peter who died was skinnier :P Do you find this valuable? |
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7. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 17 2009, 5:38 PM EDT
I agree. I think that Walter lost his son in this universe and travelled to another universe to get another Peter. And he also had that glow when the lady looked at him in mmentum deferred.Maybe its the Walter on the other side who is sending his soldiers etc to start a war with this universe. After all when you think about it, Walter and Bell on the other side must be smart enough to do stuff like that Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 17 2009, 6:23 PM EDT
It must be a common thing for ordinary people to assume that smart people have nothing better to do with their time when they're hurt than enact a diabolical plan to overthrow the world. It's like it would be a lot easier and less expensive to just mount a rescue to snatch Peter back. Why go to all the trouble to develop super soldiers? (Unless they already had the soldiers standing around waiting for an interndimensional war ... hey, ya never know. It could happen.)
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itaintrite |
9. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 17 2009, 7:05 PM EDT
ezfx, it's been explained that the other side can't travel to this world w/o risking damage to themselves yet. That's why they're sending the hybrids. If you were a father, would you risk your son's life again by sending him across the veil once again?
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10. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 17 2009, 11:56 PM EDT
Did anyone catch the poster above young Peter's bed when he woke up from his dream? It reads Challenger Mission 11 June 28 1984. The Challenger blew up 73 seconds into it's 10th mission on January 28, 1986. So what you are seeing is Peter as a kid in bed in the alt universe. So is that alt-Walter sitting just off his room? Or is it regular Walter in the alt-universe? A small twist here.
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11. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 18 2009, 12:16 AM EDT
"ezfx, it's been explained that the other side can't travel to this world w/o risking damage to themselves yet. That's why they're sending the hybrids. If you were a father, would you risk your son's life again by sending him across the veil once again?"Actually, I am a father. And I found the scene at the end of the last season where the "Walter stole Peter" story line was introduced to be particularly moving. I could easily imagine the pain of losing my child, and the insanity that could follow. But I also know I wouldn't be able to think straight, let alone concoct some massive elaborate plot. And were I the Alter-Walter, I'd be besides myself, willing to do WHATEVER to find my child and recover them, but not at the risk of other people's children, and certainly not if it meant risking my child's life. And yes, it would be a far too tempting plot line to invoke, with easy classic themes anyone can grasp ... "And in his grief, Alter-Walter launched a mighty vengeful plot to destroy everything ... " And then, Alter-Walter is the master villian, against whom all virtuous souls from either side fight to restrain ... Personally, if I even smell that plot line coming, I'll stop watching. I like Walter as the eccentric genius. And if Alter-Walter's gene structure is anything similar, he will have the same quirky tendancies. I would almost prefer a plot line where Alter-Walter died in grief after Peter was taken, just as Walter might have done. And once learning of the fate of his counterpart, Walter seeks some kind of atonement, in the form of some heroic deed. But that's just me. Do you find this valuable? |
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itaintrite |
12. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 18 2009, 1:08 AM EDT
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That's why my proposed plot line would involve all those details BUT not in the same way. I'm suggesting that Peter could to be the alt-universe what Olivia is to "ours". That would give the other side more reason (than just father's motive) to get him back.Last season the main plot was about Olivia's role in this war. And this season, it seems that a lot of hints ate being dropped regarding Peter. I would hate to see that they'd just lead to the revelation that Peter is from the other side. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 18 2009, 8:53 AM EDT
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MAYBE PETER WILL HAVE TO MAKE A MASSIVE SACRIFICE & GO BACK TO THE ALT UNIVERSE. TO SAVE BOTH OF THEM FROM COLLIDING & BECOMING ONE.MAYBE WALTER CRACKED UP AFTER REALISING WHAT HE HAD DONE & THE CHAIN OF EVENTS HE STARTED BY TAKING PETER FROM THE ALT UNIVERSE. IT'S ALL SPECULATION BUT IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT FINDING OUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THE SERIES WILL STRETCH FOR BEFORE THE PLOT LINES START GETTING TOO MUCH. I THINK A MAX OF ONE MORE SEASON THEN EVERYTHING WILL HAVE TO BE REVEALED UNLESS THIS IS THE LAST SEASON. THIS IS THE BEST SCI FI SERIES OUT BUT I DONT WANT IT TO GO TOO FAR LIKE THE X-FILES & ESPECIALLY STAR GATE HOW MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THAT SERIES ARE THERE NOW IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 18 2009, 10:09 AM EDT
i'd imagine that an alt olivia does exist. in the episode with the twins our olivia was able to "visit" the alt universe and gather intel. now when i say visit, i don't mean in a physical sense as she did at the end of season 1. i think she saw through the eyes of the alt olivia. also charlie and broyles in the alt universe were not at all surprised to see olivia in their place of work. therefore an alt olivia exists.also i'm not sure that the notion that people from the alt universe cannot cross over without risk of injury is valid. it seems pretty certain that peter crossed over. my understanding is, its people from our side have the problem crossing. i'm still of the opinion that both walters and the observer were involved in the crossing of peter. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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15. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 19 2009, 2:16 PM EDT
I think the message olivia brought back for peter is also an important fact to remember. It was in greek and if I remember correctly, it meant "be a better man then your father." That could also go along with the themese suggested above about "our" walter stealing "alt" peter and bringing him over to "our" side. I am sure there is also a lot more too it.
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itaintrite |
16. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 19 2009, 3:12 PM EDT
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Let's not forget that Olivia also seemingly woke up in the hospital when Peter entered the room and sat beside her. Coincidence? Hm.And the greek phrase is also very interesting. William Bell specifically told Olivia to tell Peter that phrase and that he would know what it meant. here's what I found online regarding this phrase. (quote)According to Peter, the phrase means "Be a better man than your father." However, I am fairly sure that the injunction, as spoken by Olivia (and repeated by Peter), ended with the phrase "πατέρα του." These Greek words translate as "his father" -- not "your father." The phrase "your father" would, I believe, be expressed in Greek as "πατέρα σας." (/quote) His father. As in the other Peter's father. So perhaps William Bell is trying to get Peter to discover his origin and perhaps prevent this war (well, it has to mean something anyway). This phrase also begs the question, "Is Peter's mother still alive in the alt-universe?" And why does she speak Greek? :) Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 19 2009, 4:03 PM EDT
To be honest, at this rate, we will probably never have any explanations on Peter's character nor his role in this. Olivia and Walter get everything while Peter is still just the helper and the translater for Walter. We have learned SOOOOO much about Olivia that it is yet again overshadowing Peter.
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18. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 19 2009, 6:18 PM EDT
O.k.... it's just speculation... but maybe it's not the "normal" Walter, that kidnapped the alt-universe Peter...Maybe our Walter is from the alt-universe?! He could be the real father of the alt-universe Peter, then he left the universe (and his wife,... "be a better man...." could make sense)... His partner, William Bell, has never left the alt-universe... he has been there all his time. The only person who traveled was Walter (and Peter...). In the other universe the real Peter was born, but after his death Walter came back to the alt-universe to catch the alt-Peter .... Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Peter is the alt-universe's Olivia?
Oct 21 2009, 5:39 PM EDT
"Let's not forget that Olivia also seemingly woke up in the hospital when Peter entered the room and sat beside her. Coincidence? Hm.It's seems like an extraordinary way to send a message to someone if the message is just "advice". For Peter to know what it means implies that Peter has heard that phrase before in some other very important context. Maybe "Be a better man than his father" refers to Walter's father ... one generation further back than we've seen. Did Olivia tell Peter who gave her the message? Did she say "William Bell told me to tell you ... " or did she just say it and let him guess? Peter may not only know what it means but who said it without being told. Does he know about all the Bell stuff? Is he aware of Olivia's journey? If Peter is unaware, but still knows what the phrase means, then, the phrase may not be related to the alt-universe at all. Do you find this valuable? |