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BronxRob	80. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 11:33 AM EDT "There's More Than One of Everything" ? This means there can be more than 2 alternate realities. The "Many-Worlds Theory " suggests an infinite number of realities. Which gives the Fringe writers a convenient "out" if they paint themselves into a corner. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
thewhitewilsmith	81. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 11:40 AM EDT ""There's More Than One of Everything" ? This means there can be more than 2 alternate realities. The "Many-Worlds Theory " suggests an infinite number of realities. Which gives the Fringe writers a convenient "out" if they paint themselves into a corner." I'd read that Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci worked backwards with Fringe, so they've already got the ending mapped out. I don't see them being cornered at all unless the ending they planned is as contrived as St. Elsewhere's. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KitSeraphina	82. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 12:17 PM EDT I have a question, In ep.19( i think 19) when Olivia was seeing into the alt reality it seemed like the war was going on right? But when she traveled to meer Bell it looked normal albiet the twin towers were there. But it didn't look like the war was happening. Or has it not just hit NYC yet? I ask because if I remember correctly walter said what she was experiencing was dejavu, which how he explained it was another pathway. So it should still be the same time period that this world is, but if so how did she see the burning buildings? At first I thought this is what the plane hit instead of the towers and that there was graffiti that said 'He is here'. As well as it looked far to spread out for it to be a plane crash. Also, the thoery in Fringe about dejavu, is it a real theory or one they made up for the show? Because to me it makes perfect since and explains alot of experiences. Ah also I don't know if I can follow the alt Peter thoery, I mean it makes since but he does has memories from this world,(like didn't he say he remembered being hooked up to car batteries) yes? I didn't like the clone theory at first and I agree that Walter wouldn't steal his child from himself, but what if the alt world technology is far more advanced then our own and they can clone. If so it would also explain Nina's cyber arm. I agree as well that perhaps in the tank and on LSD Olivia crossed realities and that is why John could talk to her, he was Alt John. It would explain the calls and emails, she was phasing between worlds perhaps? I do hope I made sense, I'm sorry if I didn't but once I start my thoeries I try not to stop as I will forget fast. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
gil_cdn	83. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 12:35 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 13 2009, 12:38 PM EDT "As for Peter beeing "stolen" frome the other dimension, how about this: Walter #1 goes to the other side and works with Walter #2 to find a way to "duplicate" things from one dimension to the other. So Walter did not "steal" Peter, he cloned him. My main bet altough is that the war is a results of Walter "stealing" Peter from the other side..." I like your theory, it does makes sense, Thanks Chris! A Custody fight between Walter and 'Alternate-Walter' that lead to a war of science expirementation show down between the realities ..... we need an 'inter-dimensional court' to handle this custody hearing .... ha...ha....ha Post reply Do you find this valuable?
The_Pattern_Exists	84. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 1:04 PM EDT There's More Than One of Everything!!!!! Peter is from the other dimension!!!!! Its his "slightly different" other self!!!! Peter died when he was sick as a child. Walter wanted to get back what he lost so he stole his son from the other side!!!! That is why Peter doesn't remember the coin comforting him when he was sick!!! AHHHHH!!! Cannot wait for season two!!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bttrfly5	85. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 1:10 PM EDT Well, first of all let me say this: WELL DONE J.J.!! That was a wild ride that I can't wait to get back on in the fall! I loved the fact that the twin towers were there! I loved that Olivia was the first to get to meet with Bell. I loved that the observer interacted with Walter....he is the only person he interacts with. I was a little dissapointed that Jones is gone but maybe the other side will clone him ( they have half of him)....or maybe alternate Jones will stir things up. I wonder if that is what really happened to Nina's arm.........hmmmmm. I am now convinced that OUR Peter is in fact alternate Peter. Walter said he went there to get something dear to him that he lost or something to that effect. Broyles and NIna said all of the occurances had started about 30 years ago. Walter crossing over would have been the frst one. I think alternate Walter has been trying to get his son back ever since. I wonder what it is that Bell is doing on the other side? He has his own office and everything. He doesn't appear to be in hiding....where is alternate Bell? I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!! hyperventilates into bag Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MakiWitch	86. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 1:24 PM EDT So if walter had taken peter from another dimension.. and we knew how devasted Walter was because he said he lost something very precious to him (aka Peter) Then what has happened to the Walter in the OTHER dimension? the one who suddenly lost peter?... The one behind all the fringe science happenings..? Just a question and theory =] Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bibliomaniacal	87. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 1:57 PM EDT I postulate that Olivia, when arriving to meet with William Bell, crossed between three realities. The first started when she almost hit the car. She then enters a hotel and sits waiting for Nina in a resturant. Nina does not show and is "out of the country" because this is a different reality. Olivia then enters the 3rd reality during the elevator ride. In this reality she ends up in one of the World Trade Center towers, which based on the people she is riding the elevator with, houses a laboratory or technology firm of some sort. In our reality, which I presume is Olivia's "home" reality, there is no hotel on the WTC site. In the 2nd reality, there is. In the 3rd reality, the WTC towers still stand...and... Obama has sons, is moving into a new White House, President Kennedy still lives (with gray hair), and Len Bias is voted NBA MVP after leading the Celtics to the Championship (Bias died years ago of a heart defect - If I recall correctly.) The base premise for the above argument is that when travelling between realities, you locate at the same base coordinates - in this case, the site of the WTC. I will add that I agree with the previous post that Walter crossed over to "steal" Peter to replace his dead "Peter" and that this action started the rash of paranormal events centered in these areas. The other "weak" spots may have been caused by other crossovers or crossover attempts by Nina or Bell. I do not believe the Walter who had Peter stolen by "our" Walter has crossed over and replaced "our" Walter. I expect the two Walters progressed very differently over the last 30 years. However, maybe he was replaced by a 3rd Walter who progressed similarly (note and candy) from a 3rd reality - facilitated by the observer. This was an excellent finale that poses more questions than it answers. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
girzim96	88. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 2:00 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 13 2009, 2:03 PM EDT Ok so I just realized something In the episode the arrival Didnt Walter say that he wrecked his car during a rainy night with peter. Then the observer came and "saved him and peter". Even though it says that he was sick, I believe that he might of died that night and made a deal with the observer to trade peters. It might not make sense but it is just a thought Post reply Do you find this valuable?
linda09	89. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 2:19 PM EDT If this doesn't make sense, please forgive me... this is my first time on the boards and I haven't looked too deeply into the previous episodes yet, though I will rewatch the whole season now when I can. Last night's episode was amazing to me. Anyway, I'm wondering, what if every pocket goes to a different reality than another pocket? Since Walter got the beach house to be in close proximity to that pocket, maybe he would 'visit' alternate Peter or at least watch until he had created the doodad to close the pocket so that when he did take alterPeter, he could close the pocket and prevent alterWalter from coming through. I thought it was interesting that the old dusty coin was right on top of the case with the pocket closer. I like the idea of an alterWalter coming back and that's why he left the note. The show blows my mind! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RobynBanks	90. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 2:24 PM EDT Did you notice the newspaper with the headline "Obamas Move into New White House"? So in this parallel world, the WTC did not get destroyed but the White House did. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
46and2	91. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 2:30 PM EDT "Did you notice the newspaper with the headline "Obamas Move into New White House"? So in this parallel world, the WTC did not get destroyed but the White House did. " probably...that's what it was hinting at, and JFK wasn't assasinated in that reality. check out the mini vid on the FRINGE website. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bu11d09	92. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 2:47 PM EDT I have a problem with the grave stone. If Peter dies here and is buried how does Walter account for Peter when he returns with him from the alternative reality? JJ can't just pretend that death certificates don't exist.,,, The better scenario would be that Walter and Peter are in a car accident on a secluded road. Peter here dies, Walter takes Peter here's body to the alternative reality in hopes that Peter there is alive. Lucky for Walter, Peter there is alive, but unconscious - he leaves dead Peter here there and takes alive Peter there here. He justifies this because the Walter there died in the car accident and Walter here did not want to leave Peter there without a father. I supoose after Peter there is here, Walter could go out and buy a grave plot and put a marker on it without a body in the grave, yeah, that might work.... Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
46and2	93. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 2:53 PM EDT "I have a problem with the grave stone. If Peter dies here and is buried how does Walter account for Peter when he returns with him from the alternative reality? JJ can't just pretend that death certificates don't exist.,,, The better scenario would be that Walter and Peter are in a car accident on a secluded road. Peter here dies, Walter takes Peter here's body to the alternative reality in hopes that Peter there is alive. Lucky for Walter, Peter there is alive, but unconscious - he leaves dead Peter here there and takes alive Peter there here. He justifies this because the Walter there died in the car accident and Walter here did not want to leave Peter there without a father. I supoose after Peter there is here, Walter could go out and buy a grave plot and put a marker on it without a body in the grave, yeah, that might work...." I have/had the same problem. maybe there was no death certificate, at least in THIS reality. maybe just a headstone, with the body....or not. of course people do this with pets all the time. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
braaak	94. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 3:03 PM EDT 1.what if the robert bishop from "the arrival" episode was peters real dad. 2.Was the teleporter even made in our universe, or just brought here. 3.what the hell is up with mr.jones this episode, he had like transparent powers or something 4. beyond this there is too many questions and we just have to wait................................ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
girzim96	95. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 3:10 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 13 2009, 3:11 PM EDT "I have a problem with the grave stone. If Peter dies here and is buried how does Walter account for Peter when he returns with him from the alternative reality? JJ can't just pretend that death certificates don't exist.,,, The better scenario would be that Walter and Peter are in a car accident on a secluded road. Peter here dies, Walter takes Peter here's body to the alternative reality in hopes that Peter there is alive. Lucky for Walter, Peter there is alive, but unconscious - he leaves dead Peter here there and takes alive Peter there here. He justifies this because the Walter there died in the car accident and Walter here did not want to leave Peter there without a father. I supoose after Peter there is here, Walter could go out and buy a grave plot and put a marker on it without a body in the grave, yeah, that might work...." Yeah I was thinking the same thing It is something very hard to avoid Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Joscab	96. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 3:17 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 13 2009, 3:20 PM EDT Well i think you went to far away with this one, but i agree that Peter from this reality is not dead, its the alt peter who's dead, and the Walter he have been watching all season is the one from the alt reality. Maybe Walter from our reality died in the fire as well or he is alive somewhere i really don't know. But if peter from this reality was dead im sure that even the police would know that not to mention the FBI. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mugzy1812	97. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 3:20 PM EDT well maybe that grave was in the alt. world...ya know? like that was alter walter in alter world...but the here peter was burried in it and alter peter is now in the here world... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
girzim96	98. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 3:28 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 13 2009, 3:29 PM EDT Ok on a completly different subject There is a video up on fox explaing the ending of fringe and their is a zoom up of the newspaper on the table I noticed that it is in fact not boys but one has corn rows put in their hair also it says that thte stock markets have crashed for 23 days with that statement i feel that the alternate reality might be closly realeted to ours instead of being polar oppisites Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
mochachica	99. RE: Season One Finale: There's More Than One of Everything May 13 2009, 4:02 PM EDT "I have a problem with the grave stone. If Peter dies here and is buried how does Walter account for Peter when he returns with him from the alternative reality? JJ can't just pretend that death certificates don't exist.,,, The better scenario would be that Walter and Peter are in a car accident on a secluded road. Peter here dies, Walter takes Peter here's body to the alternative reality in hopes that Peter there is alive. Lucky for Walter, Peter there is alive, but unconscious - he leaves dead Peter here there and takes alive Peter there here. He justifies this because the Walter there died in the car accident and Walter here did not want to leave Peter there without a father. I supose after Peter there is here, Walter could go out and buy a grave plot and put a marker on it without a body in the grave, yeah, that might work...." What if Walter, not completely comprehending the alternate reality took his dying Peter to the alternate reality and snatched his alternate self's very healthy Peter--that might explain the coin the Observer showed him. It wasn't quite the coin Original Peter would have collected. Once in the new reality, poor little sick, dying Peter collects "foreign" coins--and why does this new Peter know how to make coins dance across his fingers? The Observer then takes Walter to the alternate reality and shows him Original Peter's grave, and then back into his own reality where he comes to the beach house where New Peter finds him. Realize that New Peter does not remember his childhood at all. Walter is constantly saying, "Peter you may not remember this but. . ." and Peter is constantly conceding that no, he does not remember. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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