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alexanderpromothus |
Time Paradox
May 11 2009, 8:46 PM EDT
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A time paradox is where an untimely event changes do to something happening that wasn't supposed to happen and that is exactly what happened in Fringe. An example of a paradox would be, Olivia seeing an alternate reality which gives her information that changes her realities future. This means that, that wasn't technically supposed to happen because it wasn't going to happen without some kind of intercession. That is a paradox and according to many time travel theories because there was paradox, something drastic must happen to subvert the current course of events into its proper direction. So I think something drastic will happen soon in fringe that will change everything (whether it changes the appearance of one of the characters of fringe or changes the way we know them). That something drastic may actually be happening now with the possible death of Nina Sharp or Walters possible expedition through or to an alternate reality. Lets see what happens.
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marse-scythus |
1. RE: Time Paradox
May 11 2009, 10:26 PM EDT
Cool! I wonder whats going to happen that will be so drastic.4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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siguy97 |
2. RE: Time Paradox
May 11 2009, 10:35 PM EDT
How many Paradoxes were there then, in that episode?
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alexanderpromothus |
3. RE: Time Paradox
May 11 2009, 10:37 PM EDT
I think there have been to many to count in Fringes history.
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alexanderpromothus |
4. RE: Time Paradox
May 11 2009, 11:22 PM EDT
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Isn't it interesting how little things that we do daily may drastically change our future. I wonder if we all started acting like the yes man how would are lives be different.
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Gonpo |
5. RE: Time Paradox
May 12 2009, 2:31 AM EDT
If there are infinite realities there is no paradox, simply different routes for each plane. Was explained quite clearly the last episode.Note that there have been ppl purported to be able to *change* reality on this plane in the series. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
Monshanjik |
6. RE: Time Paradox
May 12 2009, 9:58 AM EDT
"A time paradox is where an untimely event changes do to something happening that wasn't supposed to happen and that is exactly what happened in Fringe. An example of a paradox would be, Olivia seeing an alternate reality which gives her information that changes her realities future. This means that, that wasn't technically supposed to happen because it wasn't going to happen without some kind of intercession. That is a paradox and according to many time travel theories because there was paradox, something drastic must happen to subvert the current course of events into its proper direction. So I think something drastic will happen soon in fringe that will change everything (whether it changes the appearance of one of the characters of fringe or changes the way we know them). That something drastic may actually be happening now with the possible death of Nina Sharp or Walters possible expedition through or to an alternate reality. Lets see what happens."Agreed, but we should keep in mind that current M-theory allows for four different orders of parallel universes, allowing for a vast number of possible alternate realities coming into being and collapsing at all times. If I understand the implications of this, a time paradox cannot occur in any conventional sense of the term. Granted, we as observers of the time space continuum may suffer a catastrophe of reason that we perceive as a paradox, but in the system expressed by M-theory, all catastrophes seem to be related to the creating of more alternate realities coming into being. I have the impression that the Jungian collective unconsciousness takes on a new credibility and potential power under M-theory, possibly representing the inertia that provides perceptual stability to the system. The was I understand it, it would be nearly impossible to *create* a real paradox since it would require considerable energy of some sort to "break free" of the inertia or 11-dimensional Super gravity. Rather similar to the manner a rocket must defeat gravity by force of considerable energy. If William Bell was correct, Olivia may simply have been made to retain the ability to perceive -- and possibly manipulate -- higher orders of dimension as a result of exposure to Cortexiphan. The testing process given in the ZFT manifesto can be perceived as a kind of therapy meant to restore use to these atrophied natural abilities, whereas Cortexiphan is nothing more than a chemical preparation that prevents the atrophy of these "mental muscles". So what Olivia may be experiencing in these brief glimpses of alternate realities might aptly be named "witch sight" and *may* have historical precedent in the form of the various Oracles and Sibyls of antiquity, Nostradamus, Dr. John Dee, Edgar Cayce, etc. So, like you, I look forward to the continuing story and eagerly await the unraveling of this mystery. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alexanderpromothus |
7. RE: Time Paradox
May 12 2009, 4:31 PM EDT
There can be paradoxes because there was an interaction between to realities that should not have occurred. Even though there are many possible paths in our reality our reality should not be able to interact with others.
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alexanderpromothus |
8. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 10:16 AM EDT
I was right something drastic was going to happen but I didn't know that it was to that extreme. Peter from this alternate universe is dead and the Peter from the other universe is in our universe.
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thewhitewilsmith |
9. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 10:44 AM EDT
I don't think Time is the factor in this series as they've never really set it up as a possible factor. Therein paradoxes and the like wouldn't come in to play. As explained in episode 119, if there is an instance of a 'choice' the realities diverge into 2 dimensions. Olivia's latent ability to interact and affect multiple dimensions is likely the focal point of the upcoming season.
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alexanderpromothus |
10. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 10:46 AM EDT
Time is a factor because time is existent in both realities and they are not coherent.
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thewhitewilsmith |
11. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 11:00 AM EDT
"Time is a factor because time is existent in both realities and they are not coherent. "But it's not a a factor they've toyed with. There's been no evidence of chronal tampering. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alexanderpromothus |
12. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 11:01 AM EDT
They are toying with time by interacting with both realities.
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thewhitewilsmith |
13. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 11:02 AM EDT
As far as I can tell, time is concurrent on both realities. They exist on the same point in a chronological timeline.
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alexanderpromothus |
14. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 11:05 AM EDT
No, it is not because different things are happening at the same time that are not coherent and when those things interact with each other it creates a time paradox.
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alexanderpromothus |
15. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 11:09 AM EDT
Time is based on actions.
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thewhitewilsmith |
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May 13 2009, 11:13 AM EDT
Time is moving in a forward line. When a choice is made, the path diverges. The timeline keeps going, while the separate incidences play themselves out in alternate outcomes (read: dimensions.) This was all explained by Walter with no mention of an overlapping timeline.
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thewhitewilsmith |
17. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 11:14 AM EDT
"Time is based on actions."But these actions aren't being revisited or altered in any way. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alexanderpromothus |
18. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 11:17 AM EDT
Yes, but the chronological events change. Things that would have happened did not happen because of something that was not supposed to happen, happened. I do not know how to describe it fully. Time is based on a succession of events, if nothing were to happen time would cease to exist theoretically.
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alexanderpromothus |
19. RE: Time Paradox
May 13 2009, 11:18 AM EDT
"Time is moving in a forward line. When a choice is made, the path diverges. The timeline keeps going, while the separate incidences play themselves out in alternate outcomes (read: dimensions.) This was all explained by Walter with no mention of an overlapping timeline."What would happen if these events were to somehow become coherent would these realities dissolve. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
