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FutureMuggles	40. RE: Time Paradox Sep 1 2009, 1:49 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2009, 1:49 PM EDT That's all fine. But doesn't answer the question. It doesn't even address the question, it just restates the conservation of mass-energy in a closed system. I'll try to simplify: the rate of expansion observed for our universe allow us to calculate the mass of our universe. Hence the mass of our universe is finite. If mass is finite then there cannot be mass that appears from nowhere in a closed system. If mass does appear (you arrive to kill your grandpa) then equivalent mass must disappear somewere else in that closed system - so what disappeared? And try not to quote wikipeadia pease ;-) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Starblaize	41. RE: Time Paradox Sep 1 2009, 8:13 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2009, 8:13 PM EDT Reread my post. I did not quote from wikipedia but from a FAQ written by Michael Clive Price who holds a Masters of Science in Quantum Field Theory. If you had bothered to notice the link to the original FAQ was at the top of the post. But, just to humor you, if displacement has to occur, it doesn't have to be a one-to-one match, I don't have to kick the alterverse Starblaize to my universe when I go to the alterverse. If I travel to an alterverse I only need to displace the equivalent of my mass. This could be with air, rocks, my grandfater, etc. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FutureMuggles	42. RE: Time Paradox Sep 2 2009, 5:37 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 2 2009, 5:37 AM EDT "Reread my post. I did not quote from wikipedia but from a FAQ written by Michael Clive Price who holds a Masters of Science in Quantum Field Theory. If you had bothered to notice the link to the original FAQ was at the top of the post. " Yes, I know Dr. Price holds a masters (actually he is much more qualified than that) and I hold a doctorate in superstring limitation in universe expansions models. I read the link. It didn't answer the question. But thanks for your gracious indulgence in offering an explanation. You seem to be saying that conservation laws are not broken because the mass (or energy/entropy/information) is maintained in a multiplex system (connected universes or similar). OK but we have to incorporate the fact that mass is still limited to the amount needed to account for our universe's (multiverse/closed system) expansion rate. This has been calculated to approximately 6x all the visible mass. When you go to the alterverse, is all the mass you see there new mass coexisting with the mass of the connected universe you left? If yes then there must be an infinite number of connected universes with new mass and this will be too much to account for the expansion. Another possibility is that once you leave the old universe, that mass is "converted" somehow to the mass of the new universe and hence mass is conserved. But then what if several people leave the universe to go to different altiverses - where is the mass now? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Starblaize	43. RE: Time Paradox Sep 2 2009, 7:47 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 2 2009, 8:11 PM EDT "Yes, I know Dr. Price holds a masters (actually he is much more qualified than that) and I hold a doctorate in superstring limitation in universe expansions models. I read the link. It didn't answer the question. But thanks for your gracious indulgence in offering an explanation. You seem to be saying that conservation laws are not broken because the mass (or energy/entropy/information) is maintained in a multiplex system (connected universes or similar). OK but we have to incorporate the fact that mass is still limited to the amount needed to account for our universe's (multiverse/closed system) expansion rate. This has been calculated to approximately 6x all the visible mass. When you go to the alterverse, is all the mass you see there new mass coexisting with the mass of the connected universe you left? If yes then there must be an infinite number of connected universes with new mass and this will be too much to account for the expansion. Another possibility is that once you leave the old universe, that mass is "converted" somehow to the mass of the new universe and hence mass is conserved. But then what if several people leave the universe to go to different altiverses - where is the mass now?" My apologies, it is just usually us lay-people around here. Usually quoting the wikipedia is very helpful. :) Don't know. Several people could leave our universe and our universe doesn't destabilize for millions of years because it is still a drop in the bucket compared to the total mass of our universe, so they could leave as long as they came back. Perhaps wormholes are more like zippers in that the each universe remains seperate until you open one to go through to the other side with the two systems able to compensate for a very short time. But then we go back to original problem of mass and closed systems. Is it possible that there is another level of mechanics at the universe level? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FutureMuggles	44. RE: Time Paradox Sep 4 2009, 5:30 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 4 2009, 5:30 AM EDT It's a fair point - it could just take time for everything to go belly up (or is that Belly up!). Another level of mechanics cannot be ignored as a possibility, but that would give us viewers no identification with events and you may as well have dragons and fairies. I think there is a solution to the alternative realities phenomenon that is within a "stretched" form of our known physics but is not too way out to be believable in a TV show. I posted a plausible hypothesis in the topic "Where did my mass go and why is it so chaotic here?" All the answers are there. Post reply Do you find this valuable?