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kiwilovesfringe!
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William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 1:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 1:10 AM EDT
Why would William be working with ZFT? Does this mean that Massive Dynamic may be working with ZFT, also? Do you find this valuable?    
gil_cdn
gil_cdn
1. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 1:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 1:17 AM EDT
According to Dr. Boone, William Bell funded ZFT (and the government funded Massive Dynamic), the purpose of his expirements is to show off to other scientists that they "CAN" do it.
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kiwilovesfringe!
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2. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 1:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 1:22 AM EDT
"According to Dr. Boone, William Bell funded ZFT (and the government funded Massive Dynamic), the purpose of his expirements is to show off to other scientists that they "CAN" do it.
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Hmm...I wonder which scientists they were specifically trying to show off to...all of them?
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fat_rabbit_kemz
fat_rabbit_kemz
3. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 1:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 1:23 AM EDT
"According to Dr. Boone, William Bell funded ZFT (and the government funded Massive Dynamic), the purpose of his expirements is to show off to other scientists that they "CAN" do it.
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I still say Bell is playing both sides -- he's playing for and against the government, for-and-against the fundamental followers of ZFT.

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mikejones0215
4. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 3:18 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 3:18 AM EDT
in the episode where they found the zft, they noticed a weird s(at least I think it was an s). at the end of the episode walter pulled out an old typewriter that had the same character on it. him and bell were partners, it's certainly plausible they wrote the zft together. Do you find this valuable?    
fat_rabbit_kemz
fat_rabbit_kemz
5. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 6:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 6:10 AM EDT
"in the episode where they found the zft, they noticed a weird s(at least I think it was an s). at the end of the episode walter pulled out an old typewriter that had the same character on it. him and bell were partners, it's certainly plausible they wrote the zft together."
Charlie said something that made sense... these mad scientists are ZEALOTS. But they are largely driven by their EGOS.

I hate episode 18 - it felt like a complete waste of time just to find out (at the end of all that madness) that Bell is funding ZFT - which we kinda knew anyway since Walter had nothing to do with writing the manifesto. Absolutely nothing.

Look - Walter has been in a mental institution for 17 years - meanwhile ZFT is recruiting. Walter was too isolated and doped up to contribute ANYTHING to the organization of ZFT.

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fat_rabbit_kemz
fat_rabbit_kemz
6. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 6:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 6:11 AM EDT
BESIDES...nobody visits Walter. Only his son - and he hadn't seen Walter for 17 years. Walter was COMPLETELY CUT OFF. Do you find this valuable?    

SEfanA
7. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 10:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 10:29 AM EDT
I have four theories on the subject. Tell me what you think. Either:
1. Massive Dynamic is really funding ZFT, with William Bell's support. Maybe they are using ZFT for some purpose.
2. William Bell is "playing both sides" and funding ZFT behind Massive Dynamic's back.
3. William Bell is only a figurehead of Massive Dynamic, and lost most power over the company, so he funded ZFT for some purpose.
4. William Bell did not fund ZFT, but someone else is, and is doing so in William Bell's name.
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tlemoine
tlemoine
8. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 10:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 10:36 AM EDT
Whoa now! Who says that the manefesto was written while Walter was institutionalised?! It could easily have been written by him prior to going "crazy". Also, his lab was shut down when he went into St. Claire's. Though it is possible that another typewriter might have an offset "y", it is more likely that it is the one in the lab that was used for the manefesto.

And! If they were conducting trials (ie Bell & whomever else) for cortexiphan when Olivia was 3, then they were "preparing soldiers for the coming war" long before Walter was in St. Claire's. The soldiers are a strong theme in the ZFT manefesto and their preparation began much longer than 17 years ago.

We also really don't know how much Walter was "doped" during his time at St. Claire's. We have seen discussion to the idea of visiting each other's dreams... it is not to say that Walter wasn't involved, even during his time on the inside of the hospital. Olivia's "partner" for the cortexiphan trials was in a mental institution... what if Walter was institutionalised in order to help with other recruits? Ok, this last paragraph is a little over the top, but I just want to illustrate the fact that in this world of surreal, there are going to be things that we can't yet even fathom.
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voldermania
9. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 11:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 11:29 AM EDT
"in the episode where they found the zft, they noticed a weird s(at least I think it was an s). at the end of the episode walter pulled out an old typewriter that had the same character on it. him and bell were partners, it's certainly plausible they wrote the zft together."
Ah, you mean the 'Y' !
Same typewriter = same writer, y/n?
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Emiai
Emiai
10. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 2:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 2:29 PM EDT
Are you guys forgetting that when Walter went back inside the mental home (To speak to the man about ths maths sum) he saw his doppleganger outside.

I can't help but think that Walter is the good guy in all this, but that may turn out not to be so..
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voldermania
11. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 3:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 3:18 PM EDT
"Are you guys forgetting that when Walter went back inside the mental home (To speak to the man about ths maths sum) he saw his doppleganger outside.

I can't help but think that Walter is the good guy in all this, but that may turn out not to be so.. "
I have either forgotten this, or never noticed it in the first place.

He saw the WHO in the WHAT?
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SnipuhAssassin
12. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 3:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 3:39 PM EDT
Did nobody notice that right when Boone said that they took his wife, a little bit later in the episode, men show up to take Ella away from Olivia's sister? I'm 100% sure that in a later episode Olivia will try to be forced into doing something because they have Ella. Do you find this valuable?    
Emiai
Emiai
13. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 3:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 4:02 PM EDT
"I have either forgotten this, or never noticed it in the first place.

He saw the WHO in the WHAT?"
It was in episode 8 - the cure. Walter returns to the mental home to discuss the maths sum another inmate was working on (It had driven him mad and he killed his wife)

Walter caused a panic upon being back in St Claires and was commited for the night, whilst in there he saw himself (Or a doppleganger) OUTSIDE the home, looking in at him.

I think theres also a referance to it in his lab notes, il have to double check.

http://www.fox.com/fringe/_media/recaps/walter/walter_108.jpg
Omg, does this mean the "Visitor" came to see Walter and is this how they obtained the secret combination to the safety diposit boxes. Maybe the had him detained for this purpose then!!
It goes deeper at every turn, love fringe.
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kiwilovesfringe!
kiwilovesfringe!
14. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 6:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 6:58 PM EDT
"in the episode where they found the zft, they noticed a weird s(at least I think it was an s). at the end of the episode walter pulled out an old typewriter that had the same character on it. him and bell were partners, it's certainly plausible they wrote the zft together."
Ah...I see
Why didn't I think of that xD
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kiwilovesfringe!
kiwilovesfringe!
15. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 7:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 7:00 PM EDT
"Charlie said something that made sense... these mad scientists are ZEALOTS. But they are largely driven by their EGOS.

I hate episode 18 - it felt like a complete waste of time just to find out (at the end of all that madness) that Bell is funding ZFT - which we kinda knew anyway since Walter had nothing to do with writing the manifesto. Absolutely nothing.

Look - Walter has been in a mental institution for 17 years - meanwhile ZFT is recruiting. Walter was too isolated and doped up to contribute ANYTHING to the organization of ZFT.

"
I loved episode eighteen, and by the way, it definitely wasn't a waste of time, one reason is because many of us didn't know William Bell was funding ZFT.
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kiwilovesfringe!
kiwilovesfringe!
16. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 7:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 7:01 PM EDT
"I have four theories on the subject. Tell me what you think. Either:
1. Massive Dynamic is really funding ZFT, with William Bell's support. Maybe they are using ZFT for some purpose.
2. William Bell is "playing both sides" and funding ZFT behind Massive Dynamic's back.
3. William Bell is only a figurehead of Massive Dynamic, and lost most power over the company, so he funded ZFT for some purpose.
4. William Bell did not fund ZFT, but someone else is, and is doing so in William Bell's name."
Well number three doesn't sound very believable to me, but the others are GREAT! Number four really got me thinking! Who could it be that would be also funding it?
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kiwilovesfringe!
kiwilovesfringe!
17. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 7:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 7:05 PM EDT
"http://www.fox.com/fringe/_media/recaps/walter/walter_108.jpg
Omg, does this mean the "Visitor" came to see Walter and is this how they obtained the secret combination to the safety diposit boxes. Maybe the had him detained for this purpose then!!
It goes deeper at every turn, love fringe."
Omgees! You're probably right!
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SEfanA
18. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 29 2009, 7:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 7:21 PM EDT
"Well number three doesn't sound very believable to me, but the others are GREAT! Number four really got me thinking! Who could it be that would be also funding it?"
My justifications are as follows:
1. Massive Dynamic is really funding ZFT, with William Bell's support. Maybe they are using ZFT for some purpose.
So far I've been assuming the two entities are seperate, perhaps working against eachother, but there's a possibility that I've been wrong.
2. William Bell is "playing both sides" and funding ZFT behind Massive Dynamic's back.
Because Nina Sharp has been helping, sometimes, Olivia stop ZFT.
3. William Bell is only a figurehead of Massive Dynamic, and lost most power over the company, so he funded ZFT for some purpose.
Because we haven't seen him yet, and Nina Sharp has been in charge of Massive Dynamic since the pilot. It was said way back that Bell was "away." My logic is that Olivia would be the first one to see him when he finally got back, if he ever did come back. I don't know much about businesses, but don't they usually have "boards" or "stockholders" or something like it, that are in charge of the company's actions?
4. William Bell did not fund ZFT, but someone else is, and is doing so in William Bell's name.
Nina Sharp's power over that company, I'd assume doesn't stop at the finances. She could easily write a check out to the ZFT members, and not have the rest of the company know exactly what she was doing. On the video the guy said that he was able to gather a few names, not that all the names were people he'd met. And Olivia only said Bell "funded" ZFT, but with money comes power, so whoever is funding ZFT, has some control over it.
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fat_rabbit_kemz
fat_rabbit_kemz
19. RE: William Bell and ZFT?
Apr 30 2009, 2:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 30 2009, 2:40 AM EDT
"Whoa now! Who says that the manefesto was written while Walter was institutionalised?! It could easily have been written by him prior to going "crazy". Also, his lab was shut down when he went into St. Claire's. Though it is possible that another typewriter might have an offset "y", it is more likely that it is the one in the lab that was used for the manefesto.

And! If they were conducting trials (ie Bell & whomever else) for cortexiphan when Olivia was 3, then they were "preparing soldiers for the coming war" long before Walter was in St. Claire's. The soldiers are a strong theme in the ZFT manefesto and their preparation began much longer than 17 years ago.

We also really don't know how much Walter was "doped" during his time at St. Claire's. We have seen discussion to the idea of visiting each other's dreams... it is not to say that Walter wasn't involved, even during his time on the inside of the hospital. Olivia's "partner" for the cortexiphan trials was in a mental institution... what if Walter was institutionalised in order to help with other recruits? Ok, this last paragraph is a little over the top, but I just want to illustrate the fact that in this world of surreal, there are going to be things that we can't yet even fathom."
Yeah but even if Walter wrote it, he has nothing to do with organizing the Northwoods Group or any of the other "cells" under ZFT - and he definitely has nothing to do with activating them or organizing events. I dare say he didn't write ZFT and he had nothing to do with ZFT.
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