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denkiva	Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Feb 26 2009, 9:39 PM EST Is John Scott actually dead? Why can Olivia still see him? is it her own mind playing tricks on her? Or is it truly only memories of him? Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
kiwilovesfringe!	1. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Feb 27 2009, 6:56 PM EST John Scott is dead, but Olivia shared consciousness with him before his death, so she could still see his memories. Eventually, her brain overrode his memories or something, so I doubt she can still see his memories, let alone John himself. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Telekenesis	2. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Feb 28 2009, 1:38 AM EST Unfortunatley, John Scott is more likely to be dead. Olivia can still "see" John, because of the... uhh... I'm not sure what it is called... a tub of water to go into someone else's minds. Olivia thinks her own mind is playing tricks on her, but Walter says that she somehow obtained some of John Scott's memories. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
holdyourfire	3. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Feb 28 2009, 9:20 AM EST But John actually started talking to her and seeing her himself in those memories. Walter keeps saying that's impossible and is very troubled by it. Maybe John Scott, to quote Miracle Max, is only "mostly-dead". :-) It seems like Nina Sharp and MD are keeping him in a suspended animation state. Maybe there's still hope he'll live again. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SEfanA	4. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Feb 28 2009, 10:36 AM EST Walter still expected her to see John Scott after they shared consciousness, but only as memories. What if the reason he was able to talk to her was because of the Cortexiphan. Her mind was able to hold more of John Scott than just his memories. Walter did look pretty convinced that talking to John Scott was impossible, but that was before he learned of the Cortexiphan. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BluesCrew1	5. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Feb 28 2009, 11:12 AM EST The more interesting question other the Olivia "seeing" John Scott, is why does she see John Scott's memories as a third person observer? She sees John and she sees Olivia with John. This is like observiing John Scott's memory remants in her brain like a TV show. Then, finally, why was John Scott's memory able to interact with Olivia as she observed him the last time she was in the tank? We already know that Olivia was given Cortexiphan as a child. Does this create the ability to "observe" from outside of herself? One can never tell! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
gil_cdn	6. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Feb 28 2009, 3:04 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 1:10 AM EST "Walter still expected her to see John Scott after they shared consciousness, but only as memories. What if the reason he was able to talk to her was because of the Cortexiphan. Her mind was able to hold more of John Scott than just his memories. Walter did look pretty convinced that talking to John Scott was impossible, but that was before he learned of the Cortexiphan." ITA, I was thinking along the same line ..... Olivia not only sees John's memories, she interacted with him, asked him questions, received phone call and e-mails from him; now that was way more than 'shared consciousness' ..... would it be John from another parallel universe communicating with Olivia ?? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Caturano	7. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Feb 28 2009, 4:28 PM EST I believe Massive Dynamic is keeping John Scott in a state of suspended life. John Scott is indeed dead, but still capable of existing on earth. He can choose who can and cannot see him and helps Olivia whenever he can. However, he must be covert about helping her because Massive Dynamic are probably the "bad guys" and does not want Olivia Dunham to succeed. This is why John Scott visits Olivia when she is alone, so no one knows he is helping her. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Woolyworm	8. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 4 2009, 7:32 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2009, 7:33 AM EDT Ok, very odd thought.... The disks found in the hands of several people. What if they are life recorders? MD is trying to decode John Scotts, but for what reason? How do people get them? Are they like RFID tags for humans? The alternate reality people grabbed them and 'tagged' them, like alot of alien abductions claim nowadays? (Coast to coast is a great show btw ;) Do you know you have one? Could Olivia, Walter or Peter have one? hehe I love this site ;) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BluesCrew1	9. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 4 2009, 11:56 AM EDT I don't want to get all realistic on this, but those glass like disks that have been dug out of various palms of hands would hurt like a @#$*^&!! Seems like one was found elsewhere. To record a persons full life history, All of it, in full living color, is estimated to take approximatley 6TB's. Since these are quite small, this is some seriously advanced technology - so it fits the show profile. But, could there be other uses? Could they house a low level transmitter as well (along the RFID tag idea, but active not passive). ? They could record and then transmit information while the person is asleep or idle. We already know that they have a sinister purpose. What about Olivia? Does she have one unbeknow by her? How about Peter? Both seem to keep running into the watcher, at least at at a distance. BC1 Out. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Spinetta	10. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 11 2009, 7:32 AM EDT "I don't want to get all realistic on this, but those glass like disks that have been dug out of various palms of hands would hurt like a @#$*^&!! Seems like one was found elsewhere. To record a persons full life history, All of it, in full living color, is estimated to take approximatley 6TB's. Since these are quite small, this is some seriously advanced technology - so it fits the show profile. But, could there be other uses? Could they house a low level transmitter as well (along the RFID tag idea, but active not passive). ? They could record and then transmit information while the person is asleep or idle. We already know that they have a sinister purpose. What about Olivia? Does she have one unbeknow by her? How about Peter? Both seem to keep running into the watcher, at least at at a distance. BC1 Out." 6TB? You must be expecting to live a very short life. 6PB maybe, and even that would be iffy. As far as the discs, I think the idea they're chasing with them is similar to a plane's little "black" box (which is orange btw) and that the other comments here are dead on. As far as the actual topic of this thread, I think Olivia can interact with John due to the Cortexiphan injection(s) as a child; it was said that Cortexiphan was designed to prevent the cerebral degeneration after a child is born. Scientific study has shown that the average human uses less than 1% of their brain, and it has also been proven that precognitive ability exists (the average human can see 6 seconds into the future). It would not be that far of a stretch to say that Olivia absorbed not only John Scott's memories, but a piece of his consciousness, if not his consciousness as a whole. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Spinetta	11. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 11 2009, 7:34 AM EDT Cont... MD keeping John Scott in a state of suspended animation I think is a building block for bringing him back into the show; and I think that they are going to transfer his consciousness out of Olivia and back into John Scott's body to "bring him back to life". He's become too much of an integral part of this series to remain dead. I thought it would have been hella cool if Walter had figured out a way to transfer the memory/consciousness out of Olivia and into a computer system...but that's probably my inner trekkie talking LOL Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MakiWitch	12. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 11 2009, 11:13 AM EDT Yeah.. considering how Nina wants to retrieve that memory (that Olivia now has) from John Scott..... I'm wondering how she's going to be able to get it, she does know that Olivia has that memory. And I somehow doubt Olivia would actually "cooperate" if Nina tried to ask "politely" lol. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Woolyworm	13. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 12 2009, 5:13 PM EDT Wouldn't it be fairly easy to ask Hicks about the disks? Now, getting an answer might be harder. They are in the hands. What if they can transfer information through a handshake? On another note, concerning Olivia acessing Johns memory, about Mark Young. Right before John stabbed the black guy, someone said " I hope you're right. If we get into another ashley situation, we're screwed.." Who/what might this be? Did they ever try to find out who the black guy was? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
days_soapfan31	14. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 14 2009, 8:19 PM EDT I think it's actually John that Olivia sees. I think it's his ghost or something. Like when he killed that guy in the hospital, he was a ghost or something. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SEfanA	15. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 14 2009, 8:52 PM EDT "I think it's actually John that Olivia sees. I think it's his ghost or something. Like when he killed that guy in the hospital, he was a ghost or something." When he "killed that guy in the hospital" he was a hallucination, not a ghost. The guy was seeing John Scott because he was druged with whatever was also used on the person in the beginning of that episode who was "attacked" by butterflies. The reason it was John Scott, instead of another guy he halucinated, might have been because of psychological reasons, he feared John Scott. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ThatEvilDude	16. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Apr 24 2009, 11:39 PM EDT "Is John Scott actually dead? Why can Olivia still see him? is it her own mind playing tricks on her? Or is it truly only memories of him?" A lot of the people are right. He is dead. Olivia can see him still because of going in the tank and connecting their minds. Some of his brain matter transfered to hers so now she sees him in her thoughts. My question: The emails and the phone call. That makes no sense. If you look at that from only that perspective, then he very well might be alive. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IndigoRage	17. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? May 29 2009, 5:33 PM EDT John Scott is clinically dead, but his body is kept in suspended animation at Massive Dynamic. Olivia's link to him, the shared-conciousness, induced by Walter in The Tank, and imprinting of John's conciousness onto Olivia's brain is why she "sees" him. It is also very possible that some part of Olivia's conciousness was imprinted on John Scott's brain, but given his physical condition, he may not be as able to expell her brainwaves from his brain, thus giving the two a very weak telepathic sort of connection. The e-mails and phone calls may not have actually happened, except in Olivia's mind - a choice made by John, so as not to freak Olivia out so badly when he needed to communicate with her. There is certainly a whole lot of potential here, so let's hope they do more with this in the coming seasons. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
agentBarrymore	18. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Jul 12 2009, 3:55 AM EDT I think Olivia can see what she wanna see actually.There is no John in front of her.She wants to learn the facts about the events.And she always asks John to help her out.But John is only a hallucination.Olivia does know everything in fact and she just using John in her mind to eject the reality.So how could she get this ability ? I think thats because of the Walter's tank. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PinkSodaPop	19. RE: Why can Olivia "see" John Scott? Sep 25 2009, 11:31 AM EDT I think she can see him because the veil is ever so slightly lifting to reveal her TRUE identity. Angel Seraphim Interdimensional cop? Giggles Post reply Do you find this valuable?