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denkiva	Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Feb 26 2009, 9:37 PM EST Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? The question speaks for itself. He DID subject Olivia to the Cortexiphan tests... Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
Woolyworm	1. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 4 2009, 6:58 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2009, 10:55 AM EDT I originally posed the question of her father being William Bell.... but on closer inspection, that wouldn't be possible I guess. But I am confused about her timeline. She was 3 in 1981? If Bell was already working on stuff at that time.... that is more than 17 years ago...... Was MD NOT involved in the drug tests? Was MD around then? The timeline is messed up? [EDIT] Ok, after a bit more thinking, after my morning tea, I've decided I was assuming that the drug tests were conducted by MD. I guess I was wrong since the testing was in 81 and the company didn't start untill 92. With Nina Sharp saying she used to play with Peter when he was a child, that would mean that the Walter/Nina/William dynamic was very old (forgive me if this is old news) Is there any reason that Peter and Olivia couldn't be Nina Sharps children? In the first episode, Nina even said "I would say this to my own daughter..." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Verenek	2. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 28 2009, 10:48 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 28 2009, 10:49 PM EDT in this weeks eppisode we find out that ZFT is funded by William Bell, this means that ZFT came after Massive Dynamic. also, if walter did write it, i doubt someone on an army/whatever base would know about it. i also have reason to belive walter wrotet not too long befor being admited to St. Clare's (spelling?), and walter was working with Bell, so it wouldnt have been writen yet. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
petitazure	3. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 28 2009, 11:22 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 6:03 PM EDT "in this weeks eppisode we find out that ZFT is funded by William Bell, this means that ZFT came after Massive Dynamic. " Not necessarily, ZFT could have been around, it just wouldn't have the capabilities that it does now. Also, Bell could have founded Massive Dynamic as a means to further ZFT activities. A large pharmaceutical, weapons, etc. company has more resources than a singular man does. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tlemoine	4. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 29 2009, 10:14 AM EDT I agree that MD came after ZFT and that Bell is using a real company to cover for "surreal" activities. I still believe that Walter wrote the manefesto. The scientist is this week's episode (name?!) even said that he knew who Walter was... didn't say more than that, but it implied that he was a "guru" to the ZFT movement, imo. Now, Olivia's father... I would say that it is certainly a possibility that he was a part of ZFT. I had thought that Nina Sharp could be her mother, but I don't think that Peter is... though who knows!!! I think things are much more interconnected that we think. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kiwilovesfringe!	5. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 29 2009, 6:54 PM EDT I think it could be possible...I mean, he does have that creepy factor with the whole birthday card thang... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SEfanA	6. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 29 2009, 7:04 PM EDT "I think it could be possible...I mean, he does have that creepy factor with the whole birthday card thang..." That was her stepfather, or ex-stepfather, since she said he left after he recovered from being shot by Olivia. Her Father was the one stationed on a base in FL when Olivia was 3. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kiwilovesfringe!	7. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 29 2009, 7:18 PM EDT "That was her stepfather, or ex-stepfather, since she said he left after he recovered from being shot by Olivia. Her Father was the one stationed on a base in FL when Olivia was 3. " Oh. Right. Whoops xD Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fat_rabbit_kemz	8. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 30 2009, 3:13 AM EDT "I originally posed the question of her father being William Bell.... but on closer inspection, that wouldn't be possible I guess. But I am confused about her timeline. She was 3 in 1981? If Bell was already working on stuff at that time.... that is more than 17 years ago...... Was MD NOT involved in the drug tests? Was MD around then? The timeline is messed up? [EDIT] Ok, after a bit more thinking, after my morning tea, I've decided I was assuming that the drug tests were conducted by MD. I guess I was wrong since the testing was in 81 and the company didn't start untill 92. With Nina Sharp saying she used to play with Peter when he was a child, that would mean that the Walter/Nina/William dynamic was very old (forgive me if this is old news) Is there any reason that Peter and Olivia couldn't be Nina Sharps children? In the first episode, Nina even said "I would say this to my own daughter..."" Okay. Here's the problem. She started working for Bell 16 years ago. That's 1 year after Walter ended up in the hospital. If this is true (her working with Bell only 16 years ago) that means she had nothing to do with the cortexiphan studies. Also, this means that she was somehow with Walter BEFORE his institutionalization. What was her role? I don't know. I just know she only started working for Bell 16 years ago - UNLESS she's lying. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tlemoine	9. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 30 2009, 10:58 AM EDT "Okay. Here's the problem. She started working for Bell 16 years ago. That's 1 year after Walter ended up in the hospital. If this is true (her working with Bell only 16 years ago) that means she had nothing to do with the cortexiphan studies. Also, this means that she was somehow with Walter BEFORE his institutionalization. What was her role? I don't know. I just know she only started working for Bell 16 years ago - UNLESS she's lying. " In one of the first episodes, Nina says to Peter that she played with him as a child, on the grounds of the Harvard campus... They were standing outside the lab and chatting. She said something to the effect of him not remembering her, but that they had played on this very spot when he was a child... Therefore, Nina was around long before the creation of MD, back when Bell and Walter were working together. She said to Olivia that she owed Bell her life because he had created the arm for her, and (I think, but memory fuzzy!) she said she began working for him after that. She never said that she didn't know him prior to her employment by MD. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fat_rabbit_kemz	10. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? Apr 30 2009, 11:11 PM EDT "In one of the first episodes, Nina says to Peter that she played with him as a child, on the grounds of the Harvard campus... They were standing outside the lab and chatting. She said something to the effect of him not remembering her, but that they had played on this very spot when he was a child... Therefore, Nina was around long before the creation of MD, back when Bell and Walter were working together. She said to Olivia that she owed Bell her life because he had created the arm for her, and (I think, but memory fuzzy!) she said she began working for him after that. She never said that she didn't know him prior to her employment by MD." NO, no no noooooooo! The conversation between Nina and Peter took play at an equestrian club, not Harvard. Nina was saved from cancer because MD created some kind of imaging equipment that discovered her CANCER. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tlemoine	11. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? May 1 2009, 12:09 PM EDT Ok, my bad on the location, but the fact is that she did say that she played with him as a child though. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KayFlame	12. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? May 1 2009, 4:02 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 1 2009, 4:02 PM EDT (back to on topic...) i think that SOMEONE in olivia's family definatly was part of ZFT. could be her dad, her uncle, or a person we haven't heard of yet... either way, someone had to "volunteer" olivia for the cortexphane tests. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arjay999	13. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? May 1 2009, 7:52 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 1 2009, 7:52 PM EDT "(back to on topic...) i think that SOMEONE in olivia's family definatly was part of ZFT. could be her dad, her uncle, or a person we haven't heard of yet... either way, someone had to "volunteer" olivia for the cortexphane tests." I would zero in on the uncle, as it was his kayak in the trance sequence which had all the icons tied together. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kiwilovesfringe!	14. RE: Is Olivia Dunham's father a member of ZFT? May 1 2009, 8:31 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 1 2009, 8:31 PM EDT "I would zero in on the uncle, as it was his kayak in the trance sequence which had all the icons tied together." Ah... Post reply Do you find this valuable?