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denkiva
denkiva
The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Feb 26 2009, 9:27 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2009, 9:27 PM EST
Walter refers to the side effects of teleportation as "worse than death". What do you think will happen to David Jones? Do you find this valuable?    
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SEfanA
1. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Feb 27 2009, 8:17 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 8:17 AM EST
Walter also uses the term "unthinkable." When Jones is speaking with Olivia at one point he says something like: "It would seem teleportation has some unadvertized side effects." I'm wondering if Jones knew what was going to happen, whatever that was, or if it was a surprise to him as well. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Notsmartenough
Notsmartenough
2. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Feb 27 2009, 4:49 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 4:49 PM EST
"Walter also uses the term "unthinkable." When Jones is speaking with Olivia at one point he says something like: "It would seem teleportation has some unadvertized side effects." I'm wondering if Jones knew what was going to happen, whatever that was, or if it was a surprise to him as well."
I'm thinking that Jones knew what was happening, or at least he knew that 'something' was going to happen. He didn't seem overly surprised that he was experiencing a metamorphasis. He seemed to have only one goal - get the "tests" to Olivia.
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nellie1981
nellie1981
3. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Mar 14 2009, 10:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2009, 10:27 AM EDT
I think that he will come back for help next time Do you find this valuable?    

SEfanA
4. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Mar 16 2009, 9:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 16 2009, 9:29 PM EDT
"I'm thinking that Jones knew what was happening, or at least he knew that 'something' was going to happen. He didn't seem overly surprised that he was experiencing a metamorphasis. He seemed to have only one goal - get the "tests" to Olivia."
Earlier today I was re-watching Ability, and I noticed something new. When Harris first talks to Jones: Jones says he wants to speak with Olivia, Harris says "you don't look well," and Jones says "Which is why I was hoping to speak with Agent Dunham as soon as possible. I prefer to avoid any additional, unnecessary deaths." My first thought was Jones meant his own death, and that he was dying, but Walter's comment at the end of the episode crossed that theory off my list. My theory up to this point was that he meant the agent's death, the one who died in the raid Olivia made on the safehouse, but it wouldn't make sense for that given moment because: Harris didn't know about the agent then, and it had nothing to do with Jones's caughing (he did this right before Harris said "You don't look well").
My newest thought was that Jones meant Olivia's death, in a subtle way, because he looked then like he was silently laughing at a private joke. Anyway, if Jones knew he was experiencing some type of metamorphasis, and Olivia was arround him after the fact, the metamorphasis could have been into something big and scary. Something dangerous.
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fourthrocker
fourthrocker
5. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Mar 17 2009, 9:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 17 2009, 9:46 PM EDT
"Earlier today I was re-watching Ability, and I noticed something new. When Harris first talks to Jones: Jones says he wants to speak with Olivia, Harris says "you don't look well," and Jones says "Which is why I was hoping to speak with Agent Dunham as soon as possible. I prefer to avoid any additional, unnecessary deaths." ."
He was talking about casualties from the bomb test.

As far as teleportation goes, why is it no one realizes that a teleporter like Star Treks transporter is nothing less than a disintegrator? The person being transported is killed and the person created at the other end is a new person? Exactly identical down to the atom but not the same original person. Only if the original atoms were re-integrated exactly the same would the person being teleported be the same person and maybe not even then considering a soul. If I were in the Star Trek universe there is no way I would use a transporter and by some definitions it isn't a teleporter. In classic sci-fi, like the Humanoids, teleportation is done with the mind and the person is physically moved to another location, like Jumper. That is true teleportation. The teleporter in Fringe may be a true teleporter, not a disintegrator, I'm not sure. The reason it may be a true teleporter is that there doesn't seem to be a device at the near end, no disintegrator. Take the receiver out of a Star Trek transporter and you have a suicide booth. Now if you want to know what a REAL disintegrator is like, I would be happy to demonstrate my Eludium PU36 explosive space modulator on your planet.
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snowylover814
6. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Apr 12 2009, 9:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2009, 9:10 AM EDT
Did you notice in the episode Ability, that David Jones was having "health issues". Teleportation (as walter describes it) breaks apart your molecules and puts them back together again in a different area or time period. That happened when David jones teleported in the episode "IN which we meet dr jones" and teleported to the future to the episode of Ability. WHat will happen to jones, is probably torture in some way. Do you find this valuable?    
ThatEvilDude
ThatEvilDude
7. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Apr 24 2009, 11:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 24 2009, 11:40 PM EDT
"Walter refers to the side effects of teleportation as "worse than death". What do you think will happen to David Jones? "
Well I think the bends could come with some other side effects, that might make him not useful to Walter, Olivia, and Peter.
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Puma_Vertreiben
8. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Apr 25 2009, 2:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 25 2009, 2:29 PM EDT
In the pilot episode, the man on the plane seemed to be experiencing what might have been the same health issues Jones is having before he injected himself. I also think that man didn't have a twin brother, but a doppleganger. Do you find this valuable?    
tlemoine
tlemoine
9. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Apr 25 2009, 3:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 25 2009, 3:36 PM EDT
Wow! Hadn't thought of that! That is a great theory... we shall see! Do you find this valuable?    
arjay999
arjay999
10. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Apr 25 2009, 6:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 25 2009, 6:12 PM EDT
"In the pilot episode, the man on the plane seemed to be experiencing what might have been the same health issues Jones is having before he injected himself. I also think that man didn't have a twin brother, but a doppleganger. "
There are more than one of everything....
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alexanderpromothus
alexanderpromothus
11. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Apr 26 2009, 10:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 26 2009, 10:11 AM EDT
I think that it transforms him in some way because it disentegrates and reintgrates his celluar structure, that would have to cause some forms of transmutation. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
alexanderpromothus
alexanderpromothus
12. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Apr 26 2009, 10:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 26 2009, 10:13 AM EDT
He is not suffering from the same thing that the man is going through on the plane because Walter said that it will not kill him. Do you find this valuable?    

Puma_Vertreiben
13. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
Apr 26 2009, 11:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 26 2009, 11:23 AM EDT
What killed him was whatever he injected and turned to soup. Before he shot up he was experiencing some agonizing discomfort which I believe were side effects from teleportation.

I believe what happened on the flight was not intended, and that there are factors that changed the orginial outcome from injecting the chemical.
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arjay999
arjay999
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Apr 26 2009, 4:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 26 2009, 4:52 PM EDT
"What killed him was whatever he injected and turned to soup. Before he shot up he was experiencing some agonizing discomfort which I believe were side effects from teleportation.

I believe what happened on the flight was not intended, and that there are factors that changed the orginial outcome from injecting the chemical."
Which flight? The pilot episode, or "Tranformation"?

There was definitely unexpected results going on in "The Transformation", as the on-board Observer is the one who, imo, is seen ejecting from the plane shortly before impact, as our usual Observer (Michael Cerveris) watches from the soccer field.
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fat_rabbit_kemz
fat_rabbit_kemz
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Apr 27 2009, 3:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 3:51 AM EDT
"What killed him was whatever he injected and turned to soup. Before he shot up he was experiencing some agonizing discomfort which I believe were side effects from teleportation.

I believe what happened on the flight was not intended, and that there are factors that changed the orginial outcome from injecting the chemical."
I think he was agonizing b/c he was about to die -- I'm sure that kind of distress precedes a suicide.
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Nocturnus
Nocturnus
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Apr 28 2009, 12:18 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 28 2009, 12:18 AM EDT
sigh Olivia can teleport safely. Through time, dimensions or one place to another i'm not sure yet but she can do it. Maybe all of the above. I'm shocked no one has said this yet. Do you find this valuable?    
fat_rabbit_kemz
fat_rabbit_kemz
17. RE: The horrible side effects of teleportation.
May 2 2009, 12:54 PM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2009, 12:54 PM EDT
"Walter refers to the side effects of teleportation as "worse than death". What do you think will happen to David Jones? "
Why didn't Bell take the teleporter??? What is this ZFT manifesto?? Real prophecy or self-fulfilling prophecy??? Everything that's suppose to happen happens.
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fat_rabbit_kemz
fat_rabbit_kemz
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May 2 2009, 12:55 PM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2009, 12:55 PM EDT
"Which flight? The pilot episode, or "Tranformation"?

There was definitely unexpected results going on in "The Transformation", as the on-board Observer is the one who, imo, is seen ejecting from the plane shortly before impact, as our usual Observer (Michael Cerveris) watches from the soccer field."
Where is that observer on the plane? I don't see him.
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Rahzan
Rahzan
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May 7 2009, 11:00 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 11:00 PM EDT
"Walter refers to the side effects of teleportation as "worse than death". What do you think will happen to David Jones? "
I Believe He Becomes A Monster Of Some Sort - The Creators Have Referenced The Fly As A Source Of Inspiration - We Know How The Tele-Portation Subject Ended Up In That Tale. He Had To Of Changed Into Something Fierce With Incredible Strength Or Powers To Rip Trough The Hospital Structure Like That.
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