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denkiva	Is the Observer changing reality? Feb 26 2009, 9:23 PM EST We know he's observing the pattern, but is does his presence create a "footprint"? Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
fat_rabbit_kemz	1. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Mar 24 2009, 12:51 AM EDT Yes. He prevented the deaths of Walter and his family. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arjay999	2. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Mar 25 2009, 6:56 PM EDT "We know he's observing the pattern, but is does his presence create a "footprint"?" A basic tenant of Quantum Field theory, (Based on Quantum Mechanic principles) is that the very act of observing an event forever alters the outcome of that event. The Observers are using Quantum Mechanics to do their work, whatever it is. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Verenek	3. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Apr 28 2009, 10:54 PM EDT he is called the Observer. while he does alter some things, Walter + Peter living, he does not change reality, nor make any of the scientific discoveries. I think he makes sure some things happen as they should, and observes. he also writes it all down. in what language (remember from episode (i think) 4) andy why/for whom? o.O Post reply Do you find this valuable?
petitazure	4. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Apr 28 2009, 11:50 PM EDT "We know he's observing the pattern, but is does his presence create a "footprint"?" Even though he mainly just observes, his presence is noticed by the FBI. Since they notice him, they look for him and devote man time on him. This also changes reality in an indirect way rather than his direct interference of saving Walter and Peter. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zstar385	5. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Aug 8 2009, 11:55 AM EDT I believe that bulk of the Observer's job is to act as a historian, if you will, of The Pattern. He is supposed to make sure things happen as they are written to happen and keep records of those happenings. However, reality doesn't always follow the path it is supposed to so he has to step in and change it, to put it back on course. The Observer himself is part of the pattern as much as he is a bystander watching it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ChrisDoyon	6. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Aug 8 2009, 3:20 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 8 2009, 3:20 PM EDT Remember the last episode where he told Walter he wasn't supposed to intervene. I think he is supposed to only watch and report, but there is a bond between him and Walter we are yet to discover. And that bond makes him bend the rules he is supposed to follow. The deeper we get in this story, the less I believe Walter's story about the car accident... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FutureMuggles	7. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Aug 14 2009, 7:17 PM EDT I think he's a parallel universe policeman. The Observer is trying to avoid too may rifts being created by steering people's actions. He got Walter to find his portal plug in time to stop Jones creating havoc in the alternative reality. The more cross-overs we see in season two, the more he will appear. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mallenne	8. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Oct 1 2009, 6:43 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2009, 6:43 PM EDT I agree with arjay999. Quantum theory explains reality as potentialities, ex: the electron, a subatomic particle has the potentiality to behave both as a particle & a wave(Heisenberg uncertainty principle).It takes a measuring tool(observation) to collapse it's behavior to one or another, wave or particle. The observer is a measuring tool, just by doing that, observe. Then he can modify reality, at least at quantum level. If somebody can reconcile this with relativity theory , I'm sure he will win the Nobel prize. Anyway, i love this series. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Canadadreamgirl	9. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Oct 19 2009, 6:10 PM EDT "Remember the last episode where he told Walter he wasn't supposed to intervene. I think he is supposed to only watch and report, but there is a bond between him and Walter we are yet to discover. And that bond makes him bend the rules he is supposed to follow. The deeper we get in this story, the less I believe Walter's story about the car accident..." And yet he does intervene - he saves Walter and Peter in the car accident, and at that time plants the idea in Walter's head that he had to return the favor one day (The Arrival); he comes and gets Walter at the season ender when it is 'time'....I think the Observer is the guise he wears, but he's much more. I like what zstar385 says, that he's like a historian. Maybe a guardian? Anyway, he is being an observer, but that's not all he does. I'm really curious about the episode to come! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	10. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Oct 20 2009, 4:12 PM EDT "And yet he does intervene - he saves Walter and Peter in the car accident, and at that time plants the idea in Walter's head that he had to return the favor one day (The Arrival); he comes and gets Walter at the season ender when it is 'time'....I think the Observer is the guise he wears, but he's much more. I like what zstar385 says, that he's like a historian. Maybe a guardian? Anyway, he is being an observer, but that's not all he does. I'm really curious about the episode to come!" Absolutely....and how about ep 19 when Nina brushes off the Ambassador to get in her helicopter to take pictures of him. When she delivered the file folder to Broyles, she gave him the words, "We know what happens when we see him around..." The obvious answer is: our future changes. The Observer is why there wasn't a bioweapon fire storm in Boston in the reality we're watching. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Canadadreamgirl	11. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Oct 20 2009, 6:07 PM EDT "Absolutely....and how about ep 19 when Nina brushes off the Ambassador to get in her helicopter to take pictures of him. When she delivered the file folder to Broyles, she gave him the words, "We know what happens when we see him around..." The obvious answer is: our future changes. The Observer is why there wasn't a bioweapon fire storm in Boston in the reality we're watching." I forgot about ep 19 - I'm rewatching season 1 and taking notes this time :-) I'm not sure about the Observer preventing the bloweapon fire storm though. One thing I am trying to figure out is if the Observer points to where the Pattern is occurring. How does he know where the pattern is occurring? Secondly, he makes sure he is seen ; one could say the writers make sure we see the Observer! but it amounts to the same thing: I know now to pay attention, something of interest is happening/about to happen. Interest for the Pattern, or interest for the alternate world overlapping is another idea I'm watching for. Another question I have is, can the Observer talk to Walter because Walter crossed worlds and changed reality, so this gives the Observer the ability to be in his mind? Same for Peter. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	12. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Oct 21 2009, 10:06 AM EDT "I'm not sure about the Observer preventing the bloweapon fire storm though. One thing I am trying to figure out is if the Observer points to where the Pattern is occurring. How does he know where the pattern is occurring? Secondly, he makes sure he is seen ; one could say the writers make sure we see the Observer! but it amounts to the same thing: I know now to pay attention, something of interest is happening/about to happen. Interest for the Pattern, or interest for the alternate world overlapping is another idea I'm watching for. . " I believe the only way the Observer can show up at every pattern event is that he is a time traveler from the future and he has access to historical records. This allows him to know where and when to be. It also gives him a motivation. Assuming things go "bad" in the future, he is attempting to modify things so that the future is "good." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	13. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Oct 21 2009, 10:17 AM EDT "Another question I have is, can the Observer talk to Walter because Walter crossed worlds and changed reality, so this gives the Observer the ability to be in his mind? Same for Peter. " If you are implying that Walter/Peter are the only people who can communicate with the Observer, you may be forgetting that the waitress in ep 4 had no trouble taking his (strange) order. I think he's just a regular guy. He just changes the timing of the way things occur and as a result things turn out differently. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Canadadreamgirl	14. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Oct 21 2009, 6:16 PM EDT "If you are implying that Walter/Peter are the only people who can communicate with the Observer, you may be forgetting that the waitress in ep 4 had no trouble taking his (strange) order. I think he's just a regular guy. He just changes the timing of the way things occur and as a result things turn out differently. " I don't think i can agree the Observer is a regular guy! He was able to know what Peter was going to say before Peter says it, in the Arrival, and Walter says that without words, he knew the Observer would want something from him. I think the Observer is most definitely not normal! From another universe, yes. But whether they are historians, or guardians, or time travellers from the future, monitoring developments in this world - your guess is as good as mine! lol we'll have to wait for that Observer episode! As for the waitress - remember, they spoke out loud only, she didn't 'hear' him psychically. Maybe he tried and failed? Or, maybe only those who cross universes can be psychically connected so the Observer can get in their minds? That's what I was wondering. Or can the Observers know what everyone is thinking? I don't like the Observer, I find him/them creepy, but fascinating. They're kind of like harbingers of doom, if Olivia doesn't find the Guardian soon.... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
locnar33	15. RE: Is the Observer changing reality? Oct 24 2009, 11:56 PM EDT We know there are supposed to be an infinate number of universes. We also know that if 2 universes "collide" only one will be left standing. What if the Observer(s) come from a universe where this has already happened? Having already seen the pattern play itself out, they would know what to look for to be where ever these events occure. An even scarier possiblity is that the observers themselves started this whole mess and are takeing notes as a sort of science project to see what happens when two realities collide. Post reply Do you find this valuable?