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Buchule	20. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 2 2009, 6:38 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 2 2009, 6:38 AM EDT the observer,the word observe means to watch attentively as in almost taking notes,so i guess he is "observing" to see if there are any changes from what happened before, basically he is immortal and "before" is the time on earth in another universe. its like he's watching to see if a certain "chain reaction" that happened on the other earth will take place differently on earth in this universe Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KiyoshiYagami	21. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 4 2009, 1:31 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 4 2009, 1:31 PM EDT The observer is definitely from the alt realm, he is reporting to William Bell as seen in one of the episodes when he picked up his phone and said "It has arrived" He is probably reporting to William Bell and his ability to move from place to place with such ease explains the theory that he is from the alt realm because of the space transporter (time machine) that both Bell and Bishop created. He is basically reporting all the happenings from our side to the other side as experiments and tests goes on with Peter and the rest slowly discovers the truth..... My thoughts...... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	22. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 4 2009, 2:34 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 4 2009, 2:34 PM EDT "The observer is definitely from the alt realm, he is reporting to William Bell as seen in one of the episodes when he picked up his phone and said "It has arrived" He is probably reporting to William Bell and his ability to move from place to place with such ease explains the theory that he is from the alt realm because of the space transporter (time machine) that both Bell and Bishop created. He is basically reporting all the happenings from our side to the other side as experiments and tests goes on with Peter and the rest slowly discovers the truth..... My thoughts......" Possibly KivoshiYagami but this does not really account for the Observer being present at all Pattern events. To do so requires knowledge of the future. You have to know what is going to happen. The Observer has to know what has already happened in this reality and have the ability to go back, revisit and change it. It could be Bell that was directing him but, it stands to reason, that it would be a very old Bell that has a very long term view of our future. The alternate reality that we got a brief glimpse of in 20 and the age of the Bell that we saw did not match that criteria. It's a sci-fi so anything could happen but I'm betting against your "Observer calling Bell in the AR theory." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RaiderhaterRoy	23. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 18 2009, 3:23 PM EDT "Just a thought that popped into my head..... What if Broyles is an observer? I've not thought about it too much yet, but in the same episode we meet the observer, Broyles responded to Olivia that he knew 'alot of bald guys'. Granted, there ARE alot of bald guys around... but have we ever seen Broyles eat? Drink? He was a certain way of looking at everyone, almost bird-like. He doesn't touch anything, he's stand offish... Could there be observer 'moles'? " Now you got me thinking Woolyworm, he could be or just a very dedicated man to his nation. Either way Broyles is on the side that can help us all, that I am sure of. I have liked him from day one myself and find him quite good looking. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AiXeLsyD13	24. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 21 2009, 1:49 PM EDT What if the observer's an Angel? There were bible verses listed in the end of season 2 episode 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_language Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	25. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 21 2009, 3:47 PM EDT "What if the observer's an Angel? There were bible verses listed in the end of season 2 episode 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_language " Yes and then they could change the name of the show to: "Touched by a Fringin' Angel" Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AiXeLsyD13	26. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 21 2009, 7:18 PM EDT "Yes and then they could change the name of the show to: "Touched by a Fringin' Angel"" Ha. Yeah, I was thinking more like the sinister angels in "The Prophecy"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prophecy Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	27. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 22 2009, 10:43 AM EDT "Ha. Yeah, I was thinking more like the sinister angels in "The Prophecy"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prophecy " I apologize...you were being serious and I was being silly. As for your theory about the Observer being an angel, it seems (to me) to be inconsistent with the FRINGE/science theme. I don't think the writers would have a servent of God keeping mad scientists in check...although, having written this sentence, that story line seems kind of cool...but I would bet that this isn't where we are headed. I would continue to look for semi-plausible science theory explanations. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AiXeLsyD13	28. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 22 2009, 6:57 PM EDT "I apologize...you were being serious and I was being silly. As for your theory about the Observer being an angel, it seems (to me) to be inconsistent with the FRINGE/science theme. I don't think the writers would have a servent of God keeping mad scientists in check...although, having written this sentence, that story line seems kind of cool...but I would bet that this isn't where we are headed. I would continue to look for semi-plausible science theory explanations." No need to apologize! It's hard to discern sarcasm from stupidity sometimes, ha ha ha. This IS open to everyone. :D I more or less get here, read all this stuff, and start typing while my fingers try to catch up with my thoughts. Ha ha ha. I see your point, it would really pull from the science element & alienate a bunch of viewers. I know I stopped watching Alias about half way through its run due to frustration with the story line. Ha ha ha. I think I'm already much deeper into Fringe though... with no preconceived notions. I think what I was getting at above in the observer as an angel thing... less religious and more the mythology of religion. I know there's the whole angels as aliens theory out there... I think I'm thinking along those lines... but we've been explicitly told there are no aliens involved here. I don't think the observer's simply a time traveler... and not sure on the "underground race" or "reptilian" idea... I'm thinking more along the lines of some other level of sentient being, and angel is the only word I can think of to describe that level. The character's resemblance to Marvel's Watcher is uncanny though. I wonder if it's a not to that, or inspired by that, or just a coincidence? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	29. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 23 2009, 9:59 AM EDT " I don't think the observer's simply a time traveler... " I've watched people post ideas on this site (and others) and marveled at how their minds have connected previously unrelated, sophisticated, mystical and, by all accounts, high order intelligence to explanations for FRINGE mysteries. I have witnessed a form of brillance that is breathtaking...and I think yours is another example. I am humbled. But.....please consider the alternative solution. FRINGE is a very simple show. The Observer IS simply a time traveler. But that one capability gives him immense power. He can replay things over and over again until he gets it right....and that's the version that we see. It is simple and beautiful. My bet is that the writers get belly laughs when people come up with linkages to all kinds of other stuff. KISS...keep it simple Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AiXeLsyD13	30. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 23 2009, 10:07 AM EDT "He can replay things over and over again until he gets it right....and that's the version that we see. It is simple and beautiful. My bet is that the writers get belly laughs when people come up with linkages to all kinds of other stuff. KISS...keep it simple" You do have a point. After all, if the core of the show is scientific method, than simple would really make the most sense. Ha ha. Is the observer the 'next' evolutionary step past homo sapiens... or am I going too deep again? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	31. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 23 2009, 12:51 PM EDT "You do have a point. After all, if the core of the show is scientific method, than simple would really make the most sense. Ha ha. Is the observer the 'next' evolutionary step past homo sapiens... or am I going too deep again? " I have totally enjoyed this interchange....thank you....you have made my couple of days. And you have called me out. So here's my theory: I think the Observer is just a guy. A man. A homo sapien. He's from the future. His only tool is affecting the timing of when things occur. Timing is everything. If you change the timing of things, the WTC is still standing but you have to rebuild the White House. He occupies Walter long enough and gives him an assignment which results in Walter showing up at just the right time, with Peter, to plug the portal and slice Jones in half. He's an FBI agent trying to fix the way the world turns out. Broyles has been briefed -- that's why Broyles doesn't try too hard to catch him. But you couldn't really catch him. He'd just play it again and avoid being caught in that next reality. That's also why Broyles seems to know a little bit more than what he really should know. So...there you have it...I'm out of the closet. I've declared myself. It's a sci-fi show and the chances of me being right are infinitely small. I can sense the vultures out there getting ready to pounce on my carcass and devour my poor logic and reasoning skills. I'll be nothing but a white skeleton by the end of the day. Tell me how it ends..... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AiXeLsyD13	32. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 23 2009, 1:14 PM EDT "I have totally enjoyed this interchange....thank you....you have made my couple of days. And you have called me out. So here's my theory: " I enjoy the intelligent discussion going on here too, hopefully it will continue exponentially as the show goes on. (Perhaps in a Fibonacci spiral?) I tried to join fringe-forum.com, but was apparently banned for linking back to this site and discussions going on here (however pertinent to the info there...) I didn't want to just say "on this other board... blah blah blah". Apparently it was seen as advertising for this board, and was a violation of their rules. I think I'm done searching for new Fringe-related forums. Ha ha ha. Rant aside, back to the topic at hand.... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AiXeLsyD13	33. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 23 2009, 1:20 PM EDT "So here's my theory: I think the Observer is just a guy. A man. A homo sapien. He's from the future. His only tool is affecting the timing of when things occur. Timing is everything. If you change the timing of things, the WTC is still standing but you have to rebuild the White House. He occupies Walter long enough and gives him an assignment which results in Walter showing up at just the right time, with Peter, to plug the portal and slice Jones in half. He's an FBI agent trying to fix the way the world turns out. Broyles has been briefed -- that's why Broyles doesn't try too hard to catch him. But you couldn't really catch him. He'd just play it again and avoid being caught in that next reality. That's also why Broyles seems to know a little bit more than what he really should know. " I don't think anyone can call anyone else's ideas crazy or wrong at this point... it's still open to limitless possibilities. So... the Observer here is like Rufus in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure? Set to put things on the right course, so the future will be most excellent? I can see that. How would you explain the odd eating habits, and lack of any hair/eyebrows, and the odd language? OK... I'll even give you the lack of hair could be Alopecia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alopecia_areata ), and the odd writing could all be code... the lack of tastebuds? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BuckeyeMan	34. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 23 2009, 2:53 PM EDT "How would you explain the odd eating habits, and lack of any hair/eyebrows, and the odd language? " Language evolves over time...I don't have a great solution for the taste bud thing....but I like really spicy Tai food that the rest of my family can't fathom eating. Could it be that simple? The FBI thing is a wild guess...kind of like, if I was on the writing staff, what cool storyline would I come up with. We may not yet have been given enough clues to know where he's from or why he's doing what he's doing but...on time travel and tweaking history I'm fairly certain. It seems like they have told us very plainly that the Observer changes history (eg. He saved Walter's life) They also clearly introduced time travel. It's the only way that I can think of for him to have knowledge of the place and timing of all pattern events. If you want exponential Observer thoughts, consider this: The Observer's presence in every episode is more than a cat and mouse game with the audiance. He's doing stuff. No one has been focusing on it. It wasn't by pure chance that he was around the accident scene in last Thursday's episode. I think he probably saved Dunham's life. He prevented the Boston fire storm in episode 19. He made sure the little Observer went to the foster home in 15. I don't want to ruin it for everyone else by giving it all away but if you think about what we've seen from this perspective, you can fall in love with FRINGE at a whole new level. Even if I'm wrong about this stuff, the writers have led me to consider this and I truly appreciate the logic exercise. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AiXeLsyD13	35. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 23 2009, 11:20 PM EDT "...We may not yet have been given enough clues to know where he's from or why he's doing what he's doing but...on time travel and tweaking history I'm fairly certain. It seems like they have told us very plainly that the Observer changes history (eg. He saved Walter's life) They also clearly introduced time travel. It's the only way that I can think of for him to have knowledge of the place and timing of all pattern events. If you want exponential Observer thoughts, consider this: The Observer's presence in every episode is more than a cat and mouse game with the audiance. He's doing stuff. No one has been focusing on it. It wasn't by pure chance that he was around the accident scene in last Thursday's episode... if you think about what we've seen from this perspective, you can fall in love with FRINGE at a whole new level. Even if I'm wrong about this stuff, the writers have led me to consider this and I truly appreciate the logic exercise." Interesting. He's less of an observer, more of a meddler? Might prove to be so! And with the last part, I agree. This show has me into it on a few levels. It gets me thinking rather than just staring (or playing with the cell phone) while it's on. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
gbomb	36. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 24 2009, 11:02 PM EDT "I think I've figured it out - The observer is the boy from the Inner Child. He had such a connection to Olivia and I think that is why he has been seen at all the sites where things are happening - he's keeping an eye on Olivia. Also would explain why he saved Walter and Peter from the water when Peter was a kid - He knew Olivia would need their help. What do you guys think?" i thought that too for a bit, but then had a change of mind. it just seems too obvious to be true. and lets not forget the words embedded in the introductions, observers are here, which indicates more than one, and yet every observer we have seen looks the same. could it be cloning? i apologize if this has been hashed out before but i just joined in one hour ago. good to be here Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AiXeLsyD13	37. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 24 2009, 11:22 PM EDT "i thought that too for a bit, but then had a change of mind. it just seems too obvious to be true. and lets not forget the words embedded in the introductions, observers are here, which indicates more than one, and yet every observer we have seen looks the same. could it be cloning? i apologize if this has been hashed out before but i just joined in one hour ago. good to be here" I'm relatively new too. hings get discussed all over the place here. After a few visits, it gets easier to navigate/follow. Ha ha ha. I think you could be right about the observer(s). It's anyone's guess at this point. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
baby_shrew	38. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 27 2009, 6:02 PM EDT Wink... http://fringepedia.net/wiki/The_Observer Post reply Do you find this valuable?
baby_shrew	39. RE: Who is the "Observer"? Sep 27 2009, 6:03 PM EDT "Didnt the little boy see the observer at the end of the episode when he was being driven away in the car?" Sure did! lol Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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