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fringe_analyst	Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 5 2008, 3:34 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 5 2008, 3:34 PM EST I believe GreenGrammar has pointed us in a great direction: "I've been studying these images for a while now--including the braille. On the Features link from the home page, there should be a box advertising the next show. Different symbols (the apple, the frog, the flower, the hand, and the leaf) will appear. If you click on them from left to right, they will go in the order I just listed them in. However, if you let them play themselves out, for they will switch around every 10 secs, it will go from the apple, flower, frog, hand and leaf. To go to each symbol, you can click on a 2X3 box of dots. Each box is missing some of its dots, and when you click on the box, the missing spaces are filled in with glowing lights. I first tried to try to discover the braille meaning excluding the lights. Then I tried the braille meaning of the lights, and found different letters. The apple stands for E, the frog stands for H, the flower stands for AC, the hand stands for BA, and the leaf stands for CD. If you let the symbols play, it will spell out EACHBACD, whatever that means. I am now trying to go back into the episodes and find the symbols before the commericials, relating them back to these letters. "Pilot" is CDEBACD, and "Dreamscape" is BAACEE. Also, I found some hidden symbols in the theme song. They flash by really fast, though. In the very beginning, there is a butterfly. Later on, three other symbols will fly by, in this order: Seahorse, frog, and flower, followed later by the hand. I will try to examine the dots on the commercial and relate THEM to braille letters...." Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: shining dots braille glyphs
fringe_analyst	1. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 5 2008, 3:40 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 5 2008, 3:40 PM EST To elaborate on this theory, I think we must link these dots and the dots that appear when you rollover the originals with your mouse to numbers. Take a look at the top navigation menu on the Fox Fringe homepage, each of the menu headings has a number cleverly interlaced within the word: 1nfo, b1os, r3caps, ep15odes, gall3ry, featur3s, commun1ty, new5letter. No take a look at the braille dots on the features page. The dots that fill-in the blanks as you click on each set are as follows: 2 dots, 3 dots, 3 dots, 3 dots, and 5 dots. Also, notice that each set of dots, once filled-in with the glowing dots make even sets of 6. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Fringeling	2. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 5 2008, 11:41 PM EST Hey fringe_analyst. Interesting train of thought. A group of us were going down a different rabbit trail with the glyphs on another forum. Toward the end of the following thread, you'll find a link where you can download a zip file with ALL of the fringe glyphs as they are seen in the episode, in the order they are shown from the pilot to Safe. Hope that helps in your quest! Here is the link: http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1348&page=3 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Reyaht	3. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 6 2008, 3:41 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 6 2008, 3:41 PM EST Looking at the braille from the glyphs on the fringe site, the letters are split up as: 'E' 'H' 'AC' 'BA' 'CD'. The braille alphabet recycles the symbols for letters as numbers, so it can also be read as '5' '8' '13' '21' '34' which are the fifth through ninth elements of the Fibonacci sequence [F(n+1) = F(n) + F(n-1)]. In other words, each number is the sum of the two before it. I presume the other sequences are similar or related; however I can't tell when the numbers/letters are just in a big block as above. -:- Rehayt Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
arjay999	4. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 7 2008, 4:34 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2008, 4:34 AM EST "Looking at the braille from the glyphs on the fringe site, the letters are split up as: 'E' 'H' 'AC' 'BA' 'CD'. The braille alphabet recycles the symbols for letters as numbers, so it can also be read as '5' '8' '13' '21' '34' which are the fifth through ninth elements of the Fibonacci sequence [F(n+1) = F(n) + F(n-1)]. In other words, each number is the sum of the two before it. I presume the other sequences are similar or related; however I can't tell when the numbers/letters are just in a big block as above. -:- Rehayt" Great Info and deductions. ThanX! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
carottopgrl	5. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 7 2008, 9:40 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2008, 9:40 AM EST I have seen the translation of the Braille using letters, but never heard of what numbers they are. The letters are just a jumble. Maybe there will be a clue as to how to decode them, but as of right now, not much can be done. The numbers are what I believe we should be looking at. The Fibonacci Sequence is yet again upon us. Just like the safety deposit box numbers, they don't start at 1. Our next question is why they don't start at 1. I wonder what makes them decide to start at 5 and not 1. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PinkSodaPop	6. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 7 2008, 10:21 AM EST I had stumbled upon other clues along these lines ages ago...but all I came up with was based on the number 15. (The images change every 15 seconds on the 'countdown timer') I am totally convinced that Braille and Numbrl have alot to do with it all. ---- however, one could always be wrong! You're onto something more indepth! --- Good luck with that and keep us all informed here! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arjay999	7. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 7 2008, 12:26 PM EST "I have seen the translation of the Braille using letters, but never heard of what numbers they are. The letters are just a jumble. Maybe there will be a clue as to how to decode them, but as of right now, not much can be done. The numbers are what I believe we should be looking at. The Fibonacci Sequence is yet again upon us. Just like the safety deposit box numbers, they don't start at 1. Our next question is why they don't start at 1. I wonder what makes them decide to start at 5 and not 1." Do you know what is the braille symbol for 1. Perhaps the process of elimination will work here. Or at least we'll know what to look for. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Reyaht	8. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 7 2008, 3:12 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2008, 3:12 PM EST "Do you know what is the braille symbol for 1. Perhaps the process of elimination will work here. Or at least we'll know what to look for." http://educ.queensu.ca/~fmc/may2004/images/braille04.png ^ Shows the bBaille numbers explicitly. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 recycle the symbols for a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j respectively. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arjay999	9. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Dec 7 2008, 6:20 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2008, 6:20 PM EST "http://educ.queensu.ca/~fmc/may2004/images/braille04.png ^ Shows the Braille numbers explicitly. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 recycle the symbols for a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j respectively." Thanks, I'll check that site out, Revaht. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fringe_analyst	10. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Feb 4 2009, 1:23 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 4 2009, 1:23 PM EST Has anyone done any further work on my thoughts above? I only ask because if not then I will begin re-watching each episode to find the order of the glyphs from start to present. Also, any further elaborations on the numbers given to us as described in my second posting above? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Starblaize	11. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Feb 5 2009, 8:17 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 5 2009, 8:17 PM EST Fringe Analyst, You might want to check out the discussion on the Massive Dynamic Website. It discusses much of what you are talking about here. http://fringewiki.fox.com/thread/1850936/Massive+Dynamic+Website This link may help too, http://fringe.wikia.com/wiki/Imagine_The_Impossibilities Post reply Do you find this valuable?
guitarvox	12. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Feb 21 2009, 10:25 PM EST look at the other tomb stone it looks like there is a code Post reply Do you find this valuable?
one-adam-twelve	13. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Feb 28 2009, 1:05 AM EST "look at the other tomb stone it looks like there is a code " what code? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Starblaize	14. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Mar 3 2009, 7:45 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 3 2009, 7:45 PM EST Perhaps we have all been overthinking the glyphs. http://forum.fringedivision.com/showthread.php?p=2095929 For those too lazy to open the link: "I believe what they said was that they provided a clue to the next episode, I don't think they implied they were overarching mythological clues-just a bit of extra fun content for the people who could break it. My first reaction, but I've never really sat down to play with it, was something along the lines of those codes you make when you are a kid with alternating grids (like a number sign - #) that do or don't have dots in them. Therefore, maybe each picture, in combination with the placement of the dot around it, represents a letter in a simple substitution cipher." (end quote) I had read this at another source this weekend. I was too sick with a cold this weekend to do much more than read (and not very much at that). Unfortunately I can no longer find the original article. I don't know whether to be ticked or not! Since it looks like the powers that be are not going to do anything during the show hiatus, April cannot possibly come too soon. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arjay999	15. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Mar 31 2009, 8:52 PM EDT Brought this over from another thread here: Thanks to Burn-the-Sky: burn-the-sky Glyph Discussion! Anagrams? 03/31, 1:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Today, 2:10 AM EDT I think I'm onto something! I have the Fringe Widget on my mac, and you can click different dot patterns to bring up different glyphs. At first, the dots don't seem to have much meaning, but when you click them, the inverse of them lights up. This inverse is a Braille letter or two. For the first glyph, the apple, the letter is E For the second, the frog, the letter is H For the third, the flower, the letters are A C For the fourth, the hand, the letters are B A And for the fifth, the leaf, the letters are C D And from the pictures found on ImagineTheImpossibilities.com I gathered these. PARKERSBURG http://fringepedia.net/images/d/dd/Flower.png - Flower E H A C B A C D (C D are lit) http://fringepedia.net/images/e/e6/Frog.png - Frog E H A C B A C D ( B A are lit) http://fringepedia.net/images/0/09/Moth.png - Butterfly E H A C B A C D E E (E E are lit) I think these might be anagrams. If someone could help me figure the out, I would be ever so grateful! Anyone got any thoughts on this? Or how the letters connect to the glyphs? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arjay999	16. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Mar 31 2009, 9:04 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 31 2009, 9:05 PM EDT "Brought this over from another thread here: Thanks to Burn-the-Sky: burn-the-sky Glyph Discussion! Anagrams? 03/31, 1:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Today, 2:10 AM EDT I think I'm onto something! I have the Fringe Widget on my mac, and you can click different dot patterns to bring up different glyphs. At first, the dots don't seem to have much meaning, but when you click them, the inverse of them lights up. This inverse is a Braille letter or two... ...I think these might be anagrams. If someone could help me figure the out, I would be ever so grateful! Anyone got any thoughts on this? Or how the letters connect to the glyphs? " Very good find. I'll just add that I've read that these letters also translate into numbers in Braille, so the numbers may mean something, too. ThanX, burn-the-sky!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
one-adam-twelve	17. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Apr 1 2009, 1:09 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 1 2009, 1:09 AM EDT "Brought this over from another thread here: Thanks to Burn-the-Sky: burn-the-sky Glyph Discussion! Anagrams? 03/31, 1:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Today, 2:10 AM EDT I think I'm onto something! I have the Fringe Widget on my mac, and you can click different dot patterns to bring up different glyphs. At first, the dots don't seem to have much meaning, but when you click them, the inverse of them lights up. This inverse is a Braille letter or two. For the first glyph, the apple, the letter is E For the second, the frog, the letter is H For the third, the flower, the letters are A C For the fourth, the hand, the letters are B A And for the fifth, the leaf, the letters are C D And from the pictures found on ImagineTheImpossibilities.com I gathered these. PARKERSBURG http://fringepedia.net/images/d/dd/Flower.png - Flower E H A C B A C D (C D are lit) http://fringepedia.net/images/e/e6/Frog.png - Frog E H A C B A C D ( B A are lit) http://fringepedia.net/images/0/09/Moth.png - Butterfly E H A C B A C D E E (E E are lit) I think these might be anagrams. If someone could help me figure the out, I would be ever so grateful! Anyone got any thoughts on this? Or how the letters connect to the glyphs? " this is a great find. i saw the letters elsewhere, but was unsure of how they were arrived at. kewwwel! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arjay999	18. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Apr 2 2009, 3:13 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2009, 3:13 PM EDT "I think I'm onto something! I have the Fringe Widget on my mac, and you can click different dot patterns to bring up different glyphs. At first, the dots don't seem to have much meaning, but when you click them, the inverse of them lights up. This inverse is a Braille letter or two. For the first glyph, the apple, the letter is E For the second, the frog, the letter is H For the third, the flower, the letters are A C For the fourth, the hand, the letters are B A And for the fifth, the leaf, the letters are C D And from the pictures found on ImagineTheImpossibilities.com I gathered these. PARKERSBURG http://fringepedia.net/images/d/dd/Flower.png - Flower E H A C B A C D (C D are lit) http://fringepedia.net/images/e/e6/Frog.png - Frog E H A C B A C D ( B A are lit) http://fringepedia.net/images/0/09/Moth.png - Butterfly E H A C B A C D E E (E E are lit)... . . " Here is the numerical translations for 'E' 'H' 'AC' 'BA' 'CD' 'EE': The braille alphabet uses these same letters as numbers, as follows: 5 ... 8 ... 13 ... 21 ... 34 ... 55. These are the fifth through tenth integers of the Fibonacci Sequence. This was discussed here earlier, but other than another shout-out to Fibonacci, any further meaning is unknown. It may simply be a reference to a pattern, telling us to look for them in unexpected places perhaps. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
deja-vu	19. RE: Shining dots (Braille) and the Glyphs Nov 5 2009, 8:28 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 5 2009, 8:28 PM EST "Here is the numerical translations for 'E' 'H' 'AC' 'BA' 'CD' 'EE': The braille alphabet uses these same letters as numbers, as follows: 5 ... 8 ... 13 ... 21 ... 34 ... 55. These are the fifth through tenth integers of the Fibonacci Sequence. This was discussed here earlier, but other than another shout-out to Fibonacci, any further meaning is unknown. It may simply be a reference to a pattern, telling us to look for them in unexpected places perhaps. " Just watching my Blu Ray DVD, and was able to notice that Glyph A & H have a double pyramid on the leaf. So will assume that B & G do also. Meaning?? Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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