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birdzella
Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Nov 26 2008, 1:31 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 26 2008, 1:31 PM EST
I have ben thinking about this for a while now. i think that Walter is Bell. in most split personality cases the person uses letters in there name, first name different last, same last different first, in Walter's case both his and bells names start with W and B, in last weeks episode i think that the when walter saw himself in the mental hospital he was seeing Bell. this would make sense when nobody sees Bell and according to walter they worked together and all of Massive Dynamics. this will be the big end of the season twist this is why they wont show William Bell. he is Walter Bishop. they are one in the same. 38  out of 41 found this valuable. Do you?    

Dempafallet
1. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Nov 26 2008, 1:51 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 26 2008, 1:51 PM EST
Could very well be true, can't wait to find out :-) Do you find this valuable?    

RickA05
2. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 1 2008, 8:16 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 8:16 PM EST
I just had this thought last night after watching the last episode. The same initials as well as the fact that they worked together but only Walter went to the mental institution and the fact that they never show Bell. I think what may be used as an ending for the series is that Bishop/Bell was doing all this fringe science research and the government thought he was too dangerous so they put him away but he was somehow able to get his technology and ideas out to Massive Dynamic, which then enabled the cells to begin the Pattern knowing full well that it would eventually prompt them to seek Bishop and get him out of the institute so he could continue his research and eventually take over Massive Dynamic more actively. I know it's a long shot and I would hate for Walter, who is such a likable character, to go in this direction but it would certainly be a gutsy twist. 7  out of 10 found this valuable. Do you?    
arjay999
arjay999
3. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 2 2008, 12:03 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 12:03 AM EST
"I just had this thought last night after watching the last episode. The same initials as well as the fact that they worked together but only Walter went to the mental institution and the fact that they never show Bell. I think what may be used as an ending for the series is that Bishop/Bell was doing all this fringe science research and the government thought he was too dangerous so they put him away but he was somehow able to get his technology and ideas out to Massive Dynamic, which then enabled the cells to begin the Pattern knowing full well that it would eventually prompt them to seek Bishop and get him out of the institute so he could continue his research and eventually take over Massive Dynamic more actively. I know it's a long shot and I would hate for Walter, who is such a likable character, to go in this direction but it would certainly be a gutsy twist."
I wouldn't be surprised ifa Bishop (Walter or Peter) and Bell are clones.
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Wild-Kat
Wild-Kat
4. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 2 2008, 5:58 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 5:58 PM EST
I think you're on to something! 0  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
hylander59
hylander59
5. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 2 2008, 11:33 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 11:33 PM EST
What do ya think, may be the guy in prison, who just beamed out is William Bell.
maaaayyy be.
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Evildisco
Evildisco
6. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 3 2008, 12:48 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 12:48 AM EST
" What do ya think, may be the guy in prison, who just beamed out is William Bell.
maaaayyy be."
thats what i thought since we really havnt seen what Bell looks like
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caligirlmj
7. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 3 2008, 1:19 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 1:19 AM EST
there's one flaw to this theory. the guy who just beamed out is not connected to Massive Dynamic. how do we know? Massive Dynamic does not have a hold of her. Nina is shocked that she was picked up. And she sounds interested in figuring out where Olivia is. That leads me to believe she does not have Olivia.

that being said, it is an interesting theory given his knowledge of walter's past work. i wonder how he knows all about walter's previous work...
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hylander59
hylander59
8. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 3 2008, 11:22 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 11:22 AM EST
"there's one flaw to this theory. the guy who just beamed out is not connected to Massive Dynamic. how do we know? Massive Dynamic does not have a hold of her. Nina is shocked that she was picked up. And she sounds interested in figuring out where Olivia is. That leads me to believe she does not have Olivia.

that being said, it is an interesting theory given his knowledge of walter's past work. i wonder how he knows all about walter's previous work..."
remember that at the beginning of the show ,Nina, stated that they need to get Dunham because of what she has in her memories from John Scott. The possible connection is ,what does john scott know of William Bell,and Nina is a professional deceiver as well to fain surprise would be easy for her.Just a thought.
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Fringeling
Fringeling
9. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 3 2008, 11:58 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 11:58 AM EST
"there's one flaw to this theory. the guy who just beamed out is not connected to Massive Dynamic. how do we know? Massive Dynamic does not have a hold of her. Nina is shocked that she was picked up. And she sounds interested in figuring out where Olivia is. That leads me to believe she does not have Olivia.

that being said, it is an interesting theory given his knowledge of walter's past work. i wonder how he knows all about walter's previous work..."
I wouldn't rule out Jones non-connection to MD just yet. Nina pretended as if no-one had a reason to take Olivia, when she knew very well she had a reason to taker her. Now, it's possible she really didn't know who took her (she might have been thinking it was one of her own at MD), but I think she might have known Loeb was after her. I'm pretty sure she knew Jones was Zeno transiting to Little Field -------- remember when Loeb called someone on the phone to let them know "it's on, we're doing it tonight?" I think he might have called Nina, who wanted to be conveniently out of the country when all the s#*t hit the fan. And why would she pick London to flee to? Mr. Jones is from England (his birth certificate gave it away) ----- just a thought. Consequently, Walter was born in England to.

This theory isn't airtight, but there are enough connections to make it ....

Now, on the flipside, she did say "We're working against highly motivated individuals, and our only leverage is John Scott" --- that being said, she might not have a connection to Jones. Also, the phone call Loeb might have made could have been to his own people to abduct Olivia. And she could be in London for some other reason ....
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hylander59
hylander59
10. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 3 2008, 3:09 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 3:09 PM EST
"I wouldn't rule out Jones non-connection to MD just yet. Nina pretended as if no-one had a reason to take Olivia, when she knew very well she had a reason to taker her. Now, it's possible she really didn't know who took her (she might have been thinking it was one of her own at MD), but I think she might have known Loeb was after her. I'm pretty sure she knew Jones was Zeno transiting to Little Field -------- remember when Loeb called someone on the phone to let them know "it's on, we're doing it tonight?" I think he might have called Nina, who wanted to be conveniently out of the country when all the s#*t hit the fan. And why would she pick London to flee to? Mr. Jones is from England (his birth certificate gave it away) ----- just a thought. Consequently, Walter was born in England to.

This theory isn't airtight, but there are enough connections to make it ....

Now, on the flipside, she did say "We're working against highly motivated individuals, and our only leverage is John Scott" --- that being said, she might not have a connection to Jones. Also, the phone call Loeb might have made could have been to his own people to abduct Olivia. And she could be in London for some other reason ...."
Very well thought out,and very impressive attention to detail,especially considering "J.J." gives us so much to look at, at one time>In going back and re watching this eps. 3times now I would agree that Nina may very well been talking to yet another faction in this tangled web of deceit but as yet I dont know who or 'WHAT " it is, never the less I stick to my original theory who Will is .
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DaveCola
11. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 5 2008, 2:52 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2008, 2:52 PM EST
How about Walter and Willam are the same person, but from different times. 4  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
wngl
wngl
12. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 5 2008, 3:19 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2008, 3:19 PM EST
"How about Walter and Willam are the same person, but from different times."
I've been wondering about this too. Didn't Walter say that the deposit boxes contained parts of a time machine? Yet it is used as a transport device... which made me wonder at the end of this week's episode if Mr Jones was from the present or a different time period. Judging by his expression, I would say he was the contemporary version, but it's intriguing that Walter's original purpose for the machine was time travel.
We still don't know anything about Walter #2...
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sugarcoated
sugarcoated
13. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 6 2008, 12:40 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 6 2008, 12:40 AM EST
"I have ben thinking about this for a while now. i think that Walter is Bell. in most split personality cases the person uses letters in there name, first name different last, same last different first, in Walter's case both his and bells names start with W and B, in last weeks episode i think that the when walter saw himself in the mental hospital he was seeing Bell. this would make sense when nobody sees Bell and according to walter they worked together and all of Massive Dynamics. this will be the big end of the season twist this is why they wont show William Bell. he is Walter Bishop. they are one in the same."
Omg you are so on to something here!!! that makes since and it fits perfect. i hope walter doesn't turn bad tho. he's a great and likable character.
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arjay999
arjay999
14. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Dec 6 2008, 12:33 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 6 2008, 12:33 PM EST
"Omg you are so on to something here!!! that makes since and it fits perfect. i hope walter doesn't turn bad tho. he's a great and likable character. "
But how could Walter found and run MD while in the looney bin? That would take some huge help on the parts of the asylum as well as n umerous people/agencies. I think Walter does have a split personality, but it is probably due to something "Fringey" he did in his past. That wpould make Bell more of a candidate to being a clone, of either Walter or Peter is what I'm thinking. Also, I suspect Nina has someting more to do with those two than has been let on. So far, the only reference Walter makes to Peters mother (if she even is his mother in the traditional sense) is mentioning "my wife" a couple of times. Never a name and no one has asked him further about her --which in itself seems strange. Why hasn't anyone asked Walter about his wife, or why hasn't anyone men tioned her from his file or records? There is a cover-up of some kind going on with Walter's past. I'm waiting for more clues. I'm pretty sure Walter can't be Bell, tho.
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sefreimont
15. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Dec 8 2008, 2:15 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 2:15 PM EST
Another possibility: Walter/William is a loose metaphor for Bill Gates (Student/Protege)/Paul Allen (Professor/Mentor), co-founders of Microsoft, another "sinister" multinational corporation out to control the world, that found its origins at Harvard where Gates and Allen met as student/professor... In this interpretation of Fringe, Bishop (Allen) is the true genius, developing all of the amazing, "impossible" things that we witness each week from his basement lab at Harvard, aided by Bell (Gates). Then, about 17 1/2 years ago, Bishop suddenly learns that Bell isn't just interested in the science but seeks to profit/do terrible things. Bishop begins to squirrel away his research, his notes and inventions, in old cars/garages (recall reference to more than one car), safe deposit boxes, etc., across the Northeast. In an attempt to enjoy maximum benefit without sharing, while avoiding ethical or other public scrutiny, Bell engineers (no pun intended) an incident that sees Bishop locked away, thereby freeing Bell to develop Massive Dynamics without rival or partner... As for Bishop's wife/Peter's mother, we already know it is "a long story for another day" (Peter's words to Olivia)... Look for her to appear in the company of Bell, as in Bell takes ideas, inventions, patents, and Bishop's wife, completing the coup that drives Bishop over the edge, rendering him incapable of defending himself, and taking from him any immediate reason "to go on." 7  out of 9 found this valuable. Do you?    
Emiai
Emiai
16. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Dec 8 2008, 4:14 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 4:14 PM EST
"Bell takes ideas, inventions, patents, and Bishop's wife, completing the coup that drives Bishop over the edge, rendering him incapable of defending himself, and taking from him any immediate reason "to go on.""
Also Nina Sharp had a history with Walter - and was around for alot of Peters younger years, this also would have benefit MD, as she has clearly stated - she owes MD her life.
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mmdrn1975
17. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Dec 9 2008, 1:26 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 9 2008, 1:26 AM EST
"Another possibility: Walter/William is a loose metaphor for Bill Gates (Student/Protege)/Paul Allen (Professor/Mentor), co-founders of Microsoft, another "sinister" multinational corporation out to control the world, that found its origins at Harvard where Gates and Allen met as student/professor... In this interpretation of Fringe, Bishop (Allen) is the true genius, developing all of the amazing, "impossible" things that we witness each week from his basement lab at Harvard, aided by Bell (Gates). Then, about 17 1/2 years ago, Bishop suddenly learns that Bell isn't just interested in the science but seeks to profit/do terrible things. Bishop begins to squirrel away his research, his notes and inventions, in old cars/garages (recall reference to more than one car), safe deposit boxes, etc., across the Northeast. In an attempt to enjoy maximum benefit without sharing, while avoiding ethical or other public scrutiny, Bell engineers (no pun intended) an incident that sees Bishop locked away, thereby freeing Bell to develop Massive Dynamics without rival or partner... As for Bishop's wife/Peter's mother, we already know it is "a long story for another day" (Peter's words to Olivia)... Look for her to appear in the company of Bell, as in Bell takes ideas, inventions, patents, and Bishop's wife, completing the coup that drives Bishop over the edge, rendering him incapable of defending himself, and taking from him any immediate reason "to go on.""
I agree...............You've got the most plausible explanation as of yet.
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mrshanebennett
18. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Dec 9 2008, 9:49 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 9 2008, 9:49 PM EST
Its my personal belief that Walter is faking his "craziness". True geniuses are smart enough to look stupid. I think the mental institution was just a bigger lab for him. Coincidence that the only episode they go there was to speak with the man who gave them info on the mathematical version of the pattern? I think the "cells" are little autonomous projects that Walter set up and Massive Dynamic does all his leg work trying to gather all the pieces for him. William Bell is not some evil genius, hes just some business minded political type running the corporate side of Walters work. Hes like his #2. Oh, and Peter is obviously a test tube baby genetically engineered by Walter, or just a clone of Walter. 0  out of 6 found this valuable. Do you?    

jamesieboy666
19. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Dec 10 2008, 2:04 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 2:04 AM EST
ever considered that if he can go back in time then wouldnt cloning himself be also pretty resonable guess with this fringe technology?? 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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