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sefreimont
40. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 12 2008, 11:09 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 12 2008, 11:09 AM EST
"Peter has died many times over... He may have died in the car wreck and almost assuredly died from the virus he had. "
Almost forgot - Walter apparently did not test the time/teleportation device BECAUSE Peter recovered from the made-up pseudo-virus - see comments above regarding device and Walter's extremely diverse research agenda, apparently limited attention span, and seeming preference for theoretical exploration over the practical development and application... So, really only only possible death referred to so far...
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Etread
41. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Dec 12 2008, 1:59 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 12 2008, 1:59 PM EST
There is no specific story need for Walter to have cloned himself other than the premise of the show and the said "Pattern". Fringe science is the name of the game and if there is a #1 in today's fringe.....thats it. The only reason he could have for wanting to do it, is to see if it could be done. Clearly the folks in that court....including myself are jumping the gun and making far too many assumptions about whats going on. That's fine. That's part of the fun. It wasnt my intention to sway your opinions or theories, just sharing mine.

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bloodruby
bloodruby
42. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Dec 15 2008, 4:00 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2008, 4:00 PM EST
"Its my personal belief that Walter is faking his "craziness". True geniuses are smart enough to look stupid. I think the mental institution was just a bigger lab for him. Coincidence that the only episode they go there was to speak with the man who gave them info on the mathematical version of the pattern? I think the "cells" are little autonomous projects that Walter set up and Massive Dynamic does all his leg work trying to gather all the pieces for him. William Bell is not some evil genius, hes just some business minded political type running the corporate side of Walters work. Hes like his #2. Oh, and Peter is obviously a test tube baby genetically engineered by Walter, or just a clone of Walter. "
The only problem with this theory is it doesn't explain Walter #2. Also, Walter seemed genuinly afraid of going back to the asylum. I do like the test tube baby theory though. It might explain why Walter seems to remember so many things Peter doesn't about his childhood.
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sirpuddingfoot
43. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Dec 17 2008, 3:13 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 17 2008, 3:13 PM EST
How about the Walter Bishop / William Bell theory by plot device: we have an extremely elusive character in William Bell, and Nina Sharp was once "close to [Peter's] father", has worked for Bell for 16 years (the same time frame Walter was in the mental institute), Peter's name search to find the hypnotist/neurologist based on alliteration, and finally, we wouldn't want to forget the "Hello Walter" sequence from "The Equation".
And, if my memory serves me correctly, Bell has been "on vacation" since approximately the beginning of Walter's involvement in the investigation.
The "how" is beside my point.

Butterscotch pudding anyone?
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one-adam-twelve
one-adam-twelve
44. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Dec 20 2008, 3:21 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2008, 3:21 PM EST
"How about the Walter Bishop / William Bell theory by plot device: we have an extremely elusive character in William Bell, and Nina Sharp was once "close to [Peter's] father", has worked for Bell for 16 years (the same time frame Walter was in the mental institute), Peter's name search to find the hypnotist/neurologist based on alliteration, and finally, we wouldn't want to forget the "Hello Walter" sequence from "The Equation".
And, if my memory serves me correctly, Bell has been "on vacation" since approximately the beginning of Walter's involvement in the investigation.
The "how" is beside my point.

Butterscotch pudding anyone?"
but what about walter being locked up in the looney-house for so long, and bell being the head of massiveD? how'd that work? i do see the warning flag for the old plot devices too.
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johnnydepp11
45. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 8 2009, 7:08 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 8 2009, 7:08 PM EST
OK this is kinda random and im kinda slow but i got a qustion is the guy who was all evil and like shut the women and put his hand in the glove with the apple thing Mitchell Loeb and is Loeb the won who the dude who beamed talked to on the phone.... and is the equation that the people found out in the equation the one the people used to break into the safe..... im really confused Do you find this valuable?    
one-adam-twelve
one-adam-twelve
46. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 9 2009, 2:49 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2009, 2:49 PM EST
"OK this is kinda random and im kinda slow but i got a qustion is the guy who was all evil and like shut the women and put his hand in the glove with the apple thing Mitchell Loeb and is Loeb the won who the dude who beamed talked to on the phone.... and is the equation that the people found out in the equation the one the people used to break into the safe..... im really confused"
yes
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johnnydepp11
47. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 10 2009, 3:37 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2009, 3:37 PM EST
"yes"
THX!!!!
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ST22
ST22
48. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Jan 13 2009, 6:45 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 13 2009, 6:45 PM EST
"Also Nina Sharp had a history with Walter - and was around for alot of Peters younger years, this also would have benefit MD, as she has clearly stated - she owes MD her life. "
OK, I know this isn't as 'Fringe' an idea, but the fact that Nina Does have a past with Walter and knows Peter from the past has added weight to my original thought that it is Nina who is Bell... (after a sex change to hid his identity?)

I've often wondered why Nina and Walter haven't seen eachother yet... If this could be, would Walter recognize him/her?
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arjay999
arjay999
49. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell?
Jan 14 2009, 12:12 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 14 2009, 12:12 AM EST
"OK, I know this isn't as 'Fringe' an idea, but the fact that Nina Does have a past with Walter and knows Peter from the past has added weight to my original thought that it is Nina who is Bell... (after a sex change to hid his identity?)

I've often wondered why Nina and Walter haven't seen eachother yet... If this could be, would Walter recognize him/her?"
Can't follow you on the sex change thing, but I have posted similar thoughts as to why we haven't seen Bell yet. My current pet theory on that is that Bell will be totally recognizable to us (still thinking Peter might actually be a Bell clone, left in Walter's hands -with Nina tied in as mom? aunt? or?). I don't think they'd go there with a sex change, but a Nina-Bell dichotomy or split personality (I'm smiling, so the idea) WOULD BE intriguing. ;)

I am hoping to see a Walter-Nina meeting before season 1 ends, or I'll be very dissappointed. Walter is a major contender to understanding an apparent genius like Bell. (I say apparent, because I think Bell helped frame Walter's accident that landed him in the looney bin and then stole his ideas to start MD. I believe we will see that it is Walter who is the true genius -or madman- behind MD).

Why hasn't Walter, or Peter for that matter, accompanied Olivia in any of her inquiries at MD? As I've posted before, if I was going to be questioning Nina, I'd want at least one of my heavy science guys with me. Yet, the writers keep them apart. Gotta' try to guess why. But then, irreversible (to the story) recognition will take place once this scenario plays out and the writers will have to be ready with at least some answers.

Maybe in the season finale.
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caligirlmj
50. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Jan 21 2009, 1:46 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 21 2009, 1:46 AM EST
So after tonight's episode I have a new theory or two. But first a question: Why does Walter Bishop jump so quickly to try and convince Olivia that Mitchell's comments weren't true?

Here's my theory:
Walter Bishop works for the other guys. We don't know who they are. I'm still not convinced there's only two teams, but the point is that Mitchell says there's two and he's trying to save Olivia and Walter immediately tries to convince her that's not the case. If he's working for the bad guys, that would be a quick motive.

I've also started to wonder if the man we think is Walter is actually Bell in disguise. If you think about it, that would explain why Bell hasn't been seen. It might also explain the second Walter. If Bell killed Walter to take on Walter's disguise, he might see visions of Walter all over the place. As well, if MD ends up being the bad guys, this would be "Walter's" connection to the bad guys.

I know, they're a bit of a reach, but they're just ideas. At this point anything seems plausible.
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thfsloan
51. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 28 2009, 9:54 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 28 2009, 9:54 AM EST
Walter Bishiop/ William Bell may have been partners in their lab as the show seems to say, but there is a deeper {pop culture connection}
Recently I have noticed writers in action/sci-fi genre paying homage to all that came before.
examples:
Names on Lost- Weather Survivors, Freighter people, The Others, There are many names that are names of very famous scientist that all relate in some way to Math, PHysics, and theories of the unknown So I think Fringe has some of this its just hard to find.

Action Hero- J.B. Jack Bauer, James Bond, Jason Bourne similar to Walter Bishop/William Bell
I think there is a ton of information Walter has that they continue not to tap into, He has never been vocal about Nina Strong or Massive Dynamic you would think he knows something at this point about what they were up to from his past memories. Why don;t they come right out and tell him William Bell was his partner and this is what his company is up to, Walter Might say "That was my idea on LSD one night in the 1960's" He talks in the last episode's lab notes "No-Brainer" Of walking through walls and such like we say when he visited St. Claires/ Time-Space Travel???/ I Tend to Wikipedia a lot of name son Fringe and on Lost and usually find something leading back to Sci-Fi Homage which I think is the greater connection between all of JJ Abram's works. Now What if Walter Bishop is an ALIAS for William Bell, cause where is William Bell???? A news channel on Fringe mentioned that he put out a statement but they did not show video. I think Nina and a Group stole Walters Work and created Massive Dynamic and there is a clone or look a like that is William Bell.

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arjay999
arjay999
52. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 28 2009, 4:30 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 28 2009, 4:30 PM EST
"Walter Bishiop/ William Bell may have been partners in their lab as the show seems to say, but there is a deeper {pop culture connection}
Recently I have noticed writers in action/sci-fi genre paying homage to all that came before.
examples:
Names on Lost- Weather Survivors, Freighter people, The Others, There are many names that are names of very famous scientist that all relate in some way to Math, PHysics, and theories of the unknown So I think Fringe has some of this its just hard to find.

Action Hero- J.B. Jack Bauer, James Bond, Jason Bourne similar to Walter Bishop/William Bell
I think there is a ton of information Walter has that they continue not to tap into, He has never been vocal about Nina Strong or Massive Dynamic you would think he knows something at this point about what they were up to from his past memories. Why don;t they come right out and tell him William Bell was his partner and this is what his company is up to, Walter Might say "That was my idea on LSD one night in the 1960's" He talks in the last episode's lab notes "No-Brainer" Of walking through walls and such like we say when he visited St. Claires/ Time-Space Travel???/ I Tend to Wikipedia a lot of name son Fringe and on Lost and usually find something leading back to Sci-Fi Homage which I think is the greater connection between all of JJ Abram's works. Now What if Walter Bishop is an ALIAS for William Bell, cause where is William Bell???? A news channel on Fringe mentioned that he put out a statement but they did not show video. I think Nina and a Group stole Walters Work and created Massive Dynamic and there is a clone or look a like that is William Bell.

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Nina joined MD several years after its formation. And has been around since. So she can't be a W Bell clone, or in disguise or anything like that. I still think it was Bell who arranged to frame Walter and steal his ideas in order to form MD, an event that happened only 3 months after the "accident" that killed the lab assistant which put Walter in the asylum for manslaughter.

Walter is well aware that Bell was his partner. He has on several occasions referred to him as "Bellie". They all discuss that fact in 1.01, the pilot, while they are in the car taking away him from the institution. I believe the genius, Walter Bishop, is well aware of what Bell is capable of, and is therefor biding his time. I suspect that is why Walter seems to be playing things kind of 'cagey' sometimes. He is planning what to do when Bell finally does make his move --a move --probably-- against the Fringe Division.
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thfsloan
53. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 28 2009, 6:19 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 28 2009, 6:19 PM EST
yeah so Nina not a clone N/S i was saying maybe William Bell is a clone of Walter. Do you find this valuable?    
arjay999
arjay999
54. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 29 2009, 9:46 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 29 2009, 9:46 PM EST
"yeah so Nina not a clone N/S i was saying maybe William Bell is a clone of Walter."
I wouldn't be surprised if both Walter AND Bell are clones of Robert.

I think the dirth of MD, Nina and Bell in the latest episodes are setting us up for some stories that will be heavy on the MD front. We know William Bell will make an appearance this year. I can't wait and hope it won't be in the season final cliff-hanger.

I did notice that the leaf glyph appeared several times in the latest eppy, "No Brainer". That is the symbol I've come to correlate with MD technology. Was it just an indicator of where the crazy IT guy used to work and got fired from? Or, something more?
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caligirlmj
55. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 30 2009, 9:17 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2009, 9:17 PM EST
"I did notice that the leaf glyph appeared several times in the latest eppy, "No Brainer". That is the symbol I've come to correlate with MD technology. Was it just an indicator of where the crazy IT guy used to work and got fired from? Or, something more?"
I had the same thoughts. I think it must be a sign of where the crazy IT guy used to work.
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one-adam-twelve
one-adam-twelve
56. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Jan 30 2009, 10:11 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2009, 10:11 PM EST
"I had the same thoughts. I think it must be a sign of where the crazy IT guy used to work."
But possibly also the source of the underlying tech he used to set up the brain melting program.

Or both.
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arjay999
arjay999
57. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell? figured out resonable answer
Mar 1 2009, 5:53 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 5:53 PM EST
"But possibly also the source of the underlying tech he used to set up the brain melting program.

Or both."
You may be on to something.

Just as the gggr dots that show up in the binoculars of The Observer in ep 1.04 don't necessarily mean he is aligned with that group, just using technology that happened to be designed by them. So maybe the glyph refers to the kind of tech used ---not necessarily the source of the tech (ie: MD, Aleph, etc.).
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unwelltfs
58. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Mar 11 2009, 8:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2009, 8:22 PM EDT
Walter is at times reliving memories.Some times he cannot distinguish between the two which is very common for someone who has been institutionalized for long preiods of time. Do you find this valuable?    
arjay999
arjay999
59. RE: Walter Bishop/ William Bell
Mar 11 2009, 11:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2009, 11:25 PM EDT
"Walter is at times reliving memories.Some times he cannot distinguish between the two which is very common for someone who has been institutionalized for long preiods of time."
Yes, but he also knows more than he is letting on. I notice that he is particularly 'cagey' around Broyles --often talking kind'a crazy to him. That part of his behavior, I think, is a show. I don't think he likes/trusts Broyles --who has his own secret history with MD, or at least Nina, imo.
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