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mclaugh67
80. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 9:32 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 9:32 PM EST
Yeah but I thought I saw two apples balanced on a bowling pin.... whats up with that? 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
PATB1167
PATB1167
81. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 9:47 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 9:47 PM EST
I could be way off - but I though he put the apple into 1 box & took it out of a different one 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
indig0
indig0
82. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 9:52 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 9:52 PM EST
I haven't seen anyone mention it yet but check out Walters lab notes for this episode...

http://www.fox.com/fringe/_media/recaps/walter/walter_108.jpg

Notice that the christmas lights are three greens followed by a red = hypnotize!
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PATB1167
PATB1167
83. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 9:54 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 9:54 PM EST
nobody mentions why they think the guy shot the woman after taking the aple form the box -- suggestions? 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
PATB1167
PATB1167
84. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 9:59 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 9:59 PM EST
"I haven't seen anyone mention it yet but check out Walters lab notes for this episode...

http://www.fox.com/fringe/_media/recaps/walter/walter_108.jpg

Notice that the christmas lights are three greens followed by a red = hypnotize!"
vey good -- din't notice -- thanks
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ownedtoo
ownedtoo
85. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 10:02 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 10:02 PM EST
"I have my doubts that Walter Bishop and William Bell are the same person:

* They physically worked together at Harvard in 1974. When they met, Bishop was a 28 year old professor there, and Bell was a 20 year old. They are almost a decade apart in age.

* It would be very easy to see Bishop as Bell -- too easy I think.
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no i diagree with your your insight... what if bishop had a psycotic break (MPD) and sees bell as being 8 or so yrs younger than himself for that matter how can a man doing that kind of fringe science stay sane??? yes there is alot that points back to walter
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PinkSodaPop
PinkSodaPop
86. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 10:10 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 10:10 PM EST
"nobody mentions why they think the guy shot the woman after taking the aple form the box -- suggestions?"
I figured it was because she knew too much.
(The gizmo worked so she was a loose end with that knowledge!)
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PATB1167
PATB1167
87. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 10:17 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 10:17 PM EST
"I figured it was because she knew too much.
(The gizmo worked so she was a loose end with that knowledge!)
"
I thought the the apple was transferred form 1 gizmo to another - am I nuts?
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ownedtoo
ownedtoo
88. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 19 2008, 10:19 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 10:19 PM EST
"nobody mentions why they think the guy shot the woman after taking the aple form the box -- suggestions?"
becuase she did her job and got the equation that allows someone to move though solid objects unharmed... she was a liability at that point
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mpjasonb
89. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 12:43 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 12:43 AM EST
"So the green green green red lights pattern is used to control people's mind (freeze in time for the father and Olivia, hallucination for the child). Wich could be used by the bad guy with a beanie on episode "The arrival".

But I don't get the link with the observer. I thought he might have used a green/red pattern to match Peter's speach (like make him "think" he was matching his speech insted of actually doing it). But I watched the sequence and, no, no use of a pattern.

I really liked the episode, altough I thought the way they found the red castle was a bit too easy for me. I mean, seeing a red castle across the street at the same moment she hears about it on the phone... talk about beeing at the right place at the right moment.

Anybody else thought Charlie was gonna get shot dead at the end when they split up to search for the kid ?"
where the green green green red pattern shows up for the observer is at the beginning when hes at the diner and he looks thru his binoculars, we are shown the heads up display that he sees and the lights are visible as little dots in the bottom left hand corner. some sites have freeze frame images of this if you want to see it
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mpjasonb
90. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 12:48 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 12:48 AM EST
"The last time I recall vibrations, repeating frequencies and teleportation being used together was in a comic book. I know that sounds COMPLETELY dorky but...I think it was The Flash but it could have been one of my more recent ones...my taste in comic books, anime and scifi lit has changed over the years. Since the producers and writers of this show are of the same 'mark' as many of my friends and me (as they have claimed in interviews), it makes me happy they are nostalgic about their theories too.
And to those who are fretful concerning Walter's 'out-of-body' psychosis...if he succeeds in moving Peter out of that space in the name of 'personal space'...be afraid....be very afraid!"
You are right about the Flash he was able to vibrate the individual molecules that make up his body to match the frequency of solid matter allowing him to literally walk through walls. And dont feel dorky, i remember this from the really bad tv show they had in the nineties
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mpjasonb
91. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 12:56 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 12:56 AM EST
"I thought the the apple was transferred form 1 gizmo to another - am I nuts?"
no your not nuts i actually almost missed what happened myself. he put the apple in the safe and closed the door then he goes to the computer, because of a wierd camera movement you almost miss that now he is on the backside of the safe when he hooks everything up. So to make a long story short (i know too late) he pulled the apple out through the back wall of the safe
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TheFifth
92. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 12:58 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 12:58 AM EST
"I haven't seen anyone mention it yet but check out Walters lab notes for this episode...

http://www.fox.com/fringe/_media/recaps/walter/walter_108.jpg

Notice that the christmas lights are three greens followed by a red = hypnotize!"
If you also read the notes he says:

"I have it now. The box is safe, but my secrets are not."

He may be referring to the end of the episode. He got equation and the safe was a tall box. Yes he wasn't there, but it could be hinting at other things cause it also says

"No more pearls in this oyster, he said"

He got what he wanted out of him. It could also be saying to start putting pieces together cause all the information is there.
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TheFifth
93. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 1:02 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 1:02 AM EST
"If you also read the notes he says:

"I have it now. The box is safe, but my secrets are not."

He may be referring to the end of the episode. He got equation and the safe was a tall box. Yes he wasn't there, but it could be hinting at other things cause it also says

"No more pearls in this oyster, he said"

He got what he wanted out of him. It could also be saying to start putting pieces together cause all the information is there."
Well actually I realized this,


Ostler was the womans name, similar to "oyster" so just like linking the safe. She had to die cause they got what they wanted out of her.

So... "No more pearls in this oyster" may be referring to her....
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floydian
floydian
94. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 2:09 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 2:09 AM EST
ChrisDoyon said:
"I'm sure people on the show are having a blast by placing a bunch of stuff on the set just to play with the audience."
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It's possible "people on the show" are just doing things to have a blast, but it's far more likely the writers are doing a few things here.
1. They are giving us various pieces of lore, easter eggs, or fun facts, whatever you want to call it. It does give folks something to talk about and works great in drumming up interest in the show. "Let's see what we can find in tonight's episode!" is what the writers want us all to be saying. So it's not for them to get kicks out of, it's for our entertainment.
2. I don't think there's any question that some of the lore/easter eggs/fun facts are thrown in for the express purpose of giving us clues to the deeper mystery. By the end of the season, I'm sure some of these clues will make a lot more sense to us. We'll undoubtedly have more of them.

So, the question is which of these clues are important, and which ones aren't. Regardless, I enjoy the discussion and look forward to reading about clues people pick up that I missed. I noticed the butterfly on the trash can, but did miss the gggr colors on the hat/binocs which has come up in other places. (I don't think anyone missed red/green colors in the last episode though lol.
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floydian
floydian
95. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 2:18 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 2:18 AM EST
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oneiros said:
"does anyone actually know the numerical values assigned to notes and chords in order to translate mathematical equations into musical notation? i do think it is possible due to the relationship between music and math."
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I don't know what method was used in the episode, but any arbitrary method could be applied. There are 12 notes in western music so one could use a duodecimal system (12 number base instead of the traditional 10)

If 10 was a and 11 was b we'd have:

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, a, b

And then we would take the notes and translate them into those numbers. But, that doesn't take into account eigth notes, quarter notes, whole notes, and tons more information contained in standard music notation.

That additional information could arbitrarily be applied as mathematical functions or operators.

Suppose using an eight note meant the next note should be added to the note that was an eight note. The quarter note could mean the next note should be subtracted from the quarter note.

So, there is no "set" method for translating music into math. Music follows very distinct patterns just like math does. And taking a musical pattern and applying whatever mathematical pattern to that is how you would convert on into the other.

Therefore, for Walter Bishop to take the equation and convert it into a musical score that exactly matched, or at least closely matched the child's musical score would have required a mastery of musical notation that I doubt Walter Bishop possess. There are simply an infinite number of musical scores one could end up with from any given equation. So we'd have to assume Walter is proficient with musical notation and was able to narrow down the potential conversion methods of the equation into music.
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Fringeling
Fringeling
96. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 2:51 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 2:51 AM EST
"no i diagree with your your insight... what if bishop had a psycotic break (MPD) and sees bell as being 8 or so yrs younger than himself for that matter how can a man doing that kind of fringe science stay sane??? yes there is alot that points back to walter"
I wondered that perhaps Walter was having a "Fight Club" existence with "Bell", however he was in an office talking with another person who mentioned Bell and his age back in 74. So unless Walter was having all kinds of imaginary fun while he was at Harvard, Bell's physical existence and age difference from Walter was verified by a person other than Walter. Now whether or not that information was true .....
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bosunbilly
bosunbilly
97. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 3:49 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 3:49 AM EST
"I could be way off - but I though he put the apple into 1 box & took it out of a different one"
That's primarily why I thought it was a teleportation device. I honestly believed there were two boxes. After reviewing the episode online today I'm satisfied that he did indeed pull an apple through the backside of the box through solid matter.
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ChrisDoyon
ChrisDoyon
98. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 9:29 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 9:29 AM EST
"It's possible "people on the show" are just doing things to have a blast, but it's far more likely the writers are doing a few things here.
(I don't think anyone missed red/green colors in the last episode though lol."
Don't get me wrong, I really like the whole "playing with the show" thing. I just think the people on the set play the game too. I'm sure there has been a couple of "let's put a painting on the wall here and we'll see what they make out of it" joke on the set.

Everybody should have fun with this, even people in charge of props on the set ;-)
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bttrfly5
bttrfly5
99. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 20 2008, 10:57 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 10:57 AM EST
Any Losties on here catch that we have now had a Ben, Walt(walter), and a Charlie on this show? 1  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
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