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thelwig236	60. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 10:39 AM EST "and what was with the girl that olivia chased she appeared to be holding a detenator of some sort.. then she was gone.... reminded me of an earlier episode that had olivia and john blown up at a storage place " she had the remote that controlled the lights and when she hit it, it made the lights flash in the green green green red pattern Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
thelwig236	61. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 10:47 AM EST "Some people seem to be missing what the guy was doing at the end. The equation that the woman obtained was basically a physics equation that the man in the end used to penetrate the safe. The man was able to program the equation into a machine that created a frequency, using a balloon like square as an oscillator, that would oscillate the molecules of the safe so that he could pass his hand through it. There wasn't any magic to the apple, just that he was able to pull it out of the rear of the safe. I believe that this is might also be the frequency that is need to open or penetrate "The Cylinder" that the observer is chasing. " i would have never thought about the frequency being used to open the cylinder! instead of typing in a cody maybe if they played the song around the cylidner it would open. however, now the cylinder is long gone. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Fringeling	62. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 11:15 AM EST "So the green green green red lights pattern is used to control people's mind (freeze in time for the father and Olivia, hallucination for the child). Wich could be used by the bad guy with a beanie on episode "The arrival". But I don't get the link with the observer. I thought he might have used a green/red pattern to match Peter's speach (like make him "think" he was matching his speech insted of actually doing it). But I watched the sequence and, no, no use of a pattern. I really liked the episode, altough I thought the way they found the red castle was a bit too easy for me. I mean, seeing a red castle across the street at the same moment she hears about it on the phone... talk about beeing at the right place at the right moment. Anybody else thought Charlie was gonna get shot dead at the end when they split up to search for the kid ?" Yeah I'm still struggling with the dot pattern and the link to the Observer as well. Why would he have them in his binocs for himself to see? And the rogue guy in the Arrival, even just wearing the colors on your cap will not necessarily do anything to anybody. I doubt they use it as their groups symbol, esp. if they want to remain secretive. Perhaps the Observer USED his binocs and projected (rather than observed) a signal in connection with the dots to actually cause the Beacon to arrive? And I have been suspicious of Charlie before, and now I trust him even less. And the device at the end made me think of Primer immediately as well! I think the idea of how they came to solve the equation was one of the more thought provoking ideas of the show so far. Walter seeing himself opens up a whole new can of worms. I am wondering if it is just the result of something they were doing to him at St. Claires or always part of his psyche? Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
wngl	63. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 11:28 AM EST Did anyone else find it significant, when Walter was looking at the photo of Dashiell Kim's equation and commenting on the fact that the boy was trying to complete it, that he said Peter was nowhere near that far along when he was a boy? (Hope this question makes sense) Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Fringeling	64. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 11:32 AM EST Perhaps. It could mean several things I suppose: * That Peter had somewhat of a mentally-normal developing childhood, and wasn't particularly gifted at the piano or * That Peter was nowhere near to solving the same equation that Walter perhaps was hoping he would? Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
#FringeWiki.info	65. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 11:42 AM EST "- - - - But the first thing I said when he appeared was: it's William Bell! - - - -" Lets' see. Walter Bishop (initials W.B.) - William Bell (initials W.B.) - FRINGE filmed by Warner Bros. TV studios (sorry, bad example) ... NO ONE has seen Bell. Bishop IS Bell... Doing all his (schizo) work from St Claire's for nearly two decades... MassDyn controlled by him - not a chance... MassDyn successful without his brilliance - not a chance. Why does Doc Sumner want Bishop back at the asylum? To get on with the real work they do there. You can hang a lantern on this one - its' so obvious. --Not sure if The Observer got a credited role this episode - but it sure is fun playing -"Where's Baldo?" every week. Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
aris820	66. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 12:02 PM EST "Whoa! What was with Walter seeing himself in the mental institute? Poor guy. Geez, he's such a good actor, isn't he?" i fell so bad 4 him... idk y he saw him self but it happen twice once when he was in his room singing trying to go to sleep and when he was talking to his friend he saw him self on top of a bldg... i was thinking that maybe the mental hospital is giving him something that makes him think he is seen him self.. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
aris820	67. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 12:06 PM EST "I'm surprised no one else is picking this up... In an earlier episode the guy who was looking for the weird object in the ground who they ended up shooting in the woods.. he was wearing a beanie and they did a close up of it and it had the "green green green red" pattern http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YPCf8JFgUdI/SON-HT5uANI/AAAAAAAAHyc/JnzFUrzhIh0/s1600-h/vlcsnap-5829364.jpg It was also seen on the under side of the kayak. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YPCf8JFgUdI/SON7CttbzgI/AAAAAAAAHyU/ftVfV0RqC1s/s1600-h/Kayak.jpg Tonight the pattern to the lights that controlled people were green green green red. The green green green red was also used in the eyes of the observer when he looked through his advanced electronic binoculars. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YPCf8JFgUdI/SOT2ew5Z9EI/AAAAAAAAH18/O3AfSeBvGQ4/s1600-h/Binoculars1.jpg Anyone?????? " i didnt get it right away ... it took me 2 hrs to get it... i was doing my hair n aout of no where it hit me that this group is the gggr... its crazy... im statrting to like his show even more cuz its finaly starting to give us answers.. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ChrisDoyon	68. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 12:09 PM EST Where's Baldo ! Hahahahaha Just thinking about Walter seeing himself. Could it be the same as the child seeing his mother ? I mean, Ste-Claire could "hypnotize their patient for multiple reasons (pattern related or not). This could explain why he gets these "hallucinations" only there. Check out Walter's note on the site where he writes in a dialogue with himself. As for The observer having the lights in his binoculars, they might trigger different effect with different settibgs (or speed of the pattern). They might "enhance" certain abilities. So the bad guys use the green and red light to get people into hypnosys and the good guys use it to enhance their abilities. Just a theory... Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
aris820	69. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 12:23 PM EST "I like this show but this was one wasted hour. I've got question after question. I also don't understand the deal with the apple. It goes in the machine and comes out the same and they say "it worked". Huh? More questions: 1. How did Olivia all of a sudden know where to find the boy? She searches the building and I'm thinking...huh? How did she find the place? I don't have a clue. 2. Was the boy imagining his mother being alive because he was actually strapped into a chair the entire time with a contraption on his head? 3. What did the musical piece have to do with anything and the boy kept saying he couldn't finish it. Did he finally finish it and did it have something to do with the equation? 4. And what use was it for Walter Bishop do go and see his buddy at the sanitorium? What did this guy give him that helped anything? Too many things left unsaid that we're supposed to figure out. It almost feels like like a bad job of editing with a lot of important scenes being left out, although I know that's not the case. This episode was the worst one yet. " please go back and re watch this episode cuz all ur questions were answer. 1.Olivia knew where to find the boy cuz peter told her that Walters friend keep talking about a red castle and a dungen.. 2.the boy was imagining his mom beeing there. 3.the Boy did finsh the music thats y the grl was able to give it the guy at the end.. the music was the equation that was put in the computer and the guy was able to put his hand threw the stell wall. 4.Walter whent to the sanitorium to see if his friend remember where he was taken 10 years go.. he did help because of him olivia was able to find the boy Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
aris820	70. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 12:26 PM EST "Some people seem to be missing what the guy was doing at the end. The equation that the woman obtained was basically a physics equation that the man in the end used to penetrate the safe. The man was able to program the equation into a machine that created a frequency, using a balloon like square as an oscillator, that would oscillate the molecules of the safe so that he could pass his hand through it. There wasn't any magic to the apple, just that he was able to pull it out of the rear of the safe. I believe that this is might also be the frequency that is need to open or penetrate "The Cylinder" that the observer is chasing. " maybe there is something inside the cylinder that they are trying to get and they need to put their hands threw the stell in order to get it.. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
amaryllis88	71. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 12:35 PM EST I'm just going to throw this out there, maybe it'll make sense to somebody, and it may not make a difference one way or another as to the equation. So riding along in the automobile Ben mentioned that the windshield wipers were interfering with his note-making abilities, their sound was audible, not sure if it's related, but when Ben was chained inside the room, you could most certainly hear the "whoosh whoosh" of the fan on the ceiling. I'm not sure where I was going with that, but it did stand out to me. When I saw the 2 Walters, I automatically thought the other was William Bell. The supposed dead woman's last name, "Ocelor," (me thinks), you need an oscillator for the vaulty-device, nice name assocation there. Peter was definitely onto something when he was brainstorming with Olivia in the FBI room. Oh, and the guy who played the warden kinda admin. reminded me an awful lot like Hannibel Lecter's awful warden guy...and ironically enough, Mr. Jones reminded me of HL as well....how peculiar. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
yuffnuff	72. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 12:43 PM EST "I saw a light switch on the wall...does that mean anything? Come on people, ya'll are reading too far into this stuff. I mean, just because you saw something on the table doesn't mean anything. It's called, wait for it....PROPS! " you are most likely wrong. Post reply 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
aris820	73. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 12:48 PM EST PLEASE READ.... My co worker just told me that the music the kid is playing is the theme song for fringe... also i notice that the theme song last night did not sond the same, at 1 point the song sounded like if it was changed... did anyone else notice???? Post reply 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ChrisDoyon	74. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 1:35 PM EST "I saw a light switch on the wall...does that mean anything? Come on people, ya'll are reading too far into this stuff. I mean, just because you saw something on the table doesn't mean anything. It's called, wait for it....PROPS! " Great one ! Reminds me of a comic strip I saw in a phylosophy class once. An Egyptian was carving a hyeroglyph on a pyramid while saying to his friend: "This doesn't mean anything, but they'll get so confused trying to find out !" I'm sure people on the show are having a blast by placing a bunch of stuff on the set just to play with the audience. Post reply 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
wngl	75. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 1:52 PM EST "PLEASE READ.... My co worker just told me that the music the kid is playing is the theme song for fringe... also i notice that the theme song last night did not sond the same, at 1 point the song sounded like if it was changed... did anyone else notice????" Can somebody verify it's the theme? We were joking about that during the episode... Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PinkSodaPop	76. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 2:14 PM EST "Lets' see. Walter Bishop (initials W.B.) - William Bell (initials W.B.) - FRINGE filmed by Warner Bros. TV studios (sorry, bad example) ... NO ONE has seen Bell. Bishop IS Bell... Doing all his (schizo) work from St Claire's for nearly two decades... MassDyn controlled by him - not a chance... MassDyn successful without his brilliance - not a chance. Why does Doc Sumner want Bishop back at the asylum? To get on with the real work they do there. You can hang a lantern on this one - its' so obvious. --Not sure if The Observer got a credited role this episode - but it sure is fun playing -"Where's Baldo?" every week. " Somehow I think you're wrong. Usually writers tend to stray far from the painfully obvious, and like more to do the 'see it's this!!!' so the gullible will fall for it...and then when the real surprise happens you'll be smacking your proverbial head for days and days ...and might end up with butterscotch pudding on wednesday's if one is not careful. :) imho. ;D Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Fringeling	77. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 2:27 PM EST "Lets' see. Walter Bishop (initials W.B.) - William Bell (initials W.B.) - FRINGE filmed by Warner Bros. TV studios (sorry, bad example) ... NO ONE has seen Bell. Bishop IS Bell... Doing all his (schizo) work from St Claire's for nearly two decades... MassDyn controlled by him - not a chance... MassDyn successful without his brilliance - not a chance. Why does Doc Sumner want Bishop back at the asylum? To get on with the real work they do there. You can hang a lantern on this one - its' so obvious. --Not sure if The Observer got a credited role this episode - but it sure is fun playing -"Where's Baldo?" every week. " I have my doubts that Walter Bishop and William Bell are the same person: * They physically worked together at Harvard in 1974. When they met, Bishop was a 28 year old professor there, and Bell was a 20 year old. They are almost a decade apart in age. * It would be very easy to see Bishop as Bell -- too easy I think. * I think Broyles or someone would have noticed that Bishop was Bell. Just because we havn't seen him, doesn't mean others don't know what he looks like. Broyles is in with Nina Sharp, and if you remember at their "meeting" Nina was apprehensive about bringing Bishop in. Now, these things don't rule out Bishop being Bell totally, not in the Fringe world. Suppose Bell lives "residually" in Bishop? I don't think the dopple-Bishop we saw in last nights episode was Bell though. First of all it was physically Bishop, and only Bishop saw it. Why would he hallucinate seeing Bell as himself? Just some thoughts Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
oneiros	78. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 8:02 PM EST does anyone actually know the numerical values assigned to notes and chords in order to translate mathematical equations into musical notation? i do think it is possible due to the relationship between music and math. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
RSF1000	79. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread Nov 19 2008, 8:11 PM EST "I saw a light switch on the wall...does that mean anything? Come on people, ya'll are reading too far into this stuff. I mean, just because you saw something on the table doesn't mean anything. It's called, wait for it....PROPS! " Yeah, because the average household has bowling pins lying around on the table. Every now and again I just get in the mood to play table bowling with 1 pin. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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