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tanner3636
tanner3636
120. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 21 2008, 9:59 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 9:59 PM EST
"I just read the synopsis of episode 10 (unnamed as of now) and it says:

"Episode synopsis:While investigating a series of bank robberies, Olivia, Walter and Peter are shocked to find one of the suspects inexplicably trapped inside a vault wall as if it solidfied around him. Walter realizes that the high-tech thieves have figured out a way to defy the law of physics and that, much to his dismay, the crooks are after something of his. As the ongoing investigation unfolds and the mystery deepens, the perilous situation climaxes when a member of the trio is ambushed."

This fits along perfectly with what the guy at the end of the episode did. He pulled the apple through the wall of the safe."
Walter's notes from this episode discuss something of a "box" that an unnamed person is after, that was hidden. It is somewhat confusing, but goes hand-in-hand with what you discuss here.
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tanner3636
tanner3636
121. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 21 2008, 10:03 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 10:03 PM EST
"Here is a copy of the post from another website (I should really start recording these things!):

He's standing near the tree in the scene where Liv is on the phone with Peter while they are canvasing the neighborhood, just before she sees the "red castle".

He's in the distance, but standing by a tree."
If you watch the episode online, you can see him at 40:58 standing profile next to a tree to the left and behind Olivia. He is holding a briefcase and not wearing a hat. He is facing the red house she is about to spot.
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ownedtoo
ownedtoo
122. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 21 2008, 10:22 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 10:22 PM EST
"And what else passes through solid matter. The Thor torpedo in the Arrival - @ 2 Mhz and again at 4 Mhz. Probably a prototype gone stray - "China Syndroming" itself back and forth beneath the planet. I wonder if there is an Asian bald guy, an African bald guy, an Eskimo bald guy, and so on... all standing around their corner of the planet waiting for Thor to arrive. "
thor didn't pass though solid material it bore a hole if i remeber correctly the sfe deal didn't leave a hole in the safe
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tanner3636
tanner3636
123. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 21 2008, 10:29 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 10:29 PM EST
READ:

In the scene where Olivia and the other agent enter the red house, the horses from a merry-go-round all have green/red patterns. Coincidence...or purposely done?
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ownedtoo
ownedtoo
124. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 21 2008, 10:38 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 10:38 PM EST
"I like your thinking out loud. I also find it hard to believe that there are a lot of physical clones of Walter, but I do believe that there are multiple Walters. These are Walters formed by the fragmenting of his psyche which occurred to prevent detection of all his secrets. They are the reason he appears to be so forgetful and spacey. How powerful these Walters are I don't know. For example, can they project themselves astrally? Can they move through time and space? Can they manifest physically? I don't know the extent of their abilities. But Walter has been able to keep his secrets from prying "visitors" for seventeen years and still keep some semblance of sanity. He obviously has tremendous mental faculties because he has been able to hold out in situations that have caused other brilliant men to crumble.

I do however think there is another "observer" who is more advanced than the bald observer we see regularly. This observer was able to enter Olivia's dream and can go undetected where the bald observer cannot go. But as for the "observer" we see, I agree it is probably just one person using principles of quantum mechanics to appear to be in more than one place at the same time."
thats what i've been saying all along(i think you agree w/ me) that walter has had a psycotic back... MPD (multi-personnality disorder) he created 1 or maybe even more walters(what ever they chose for names)(bell i think) because of what he has seen and done... FRINGE science is some scary stuff even more so when some of it works.. and we all know that some of walter's stuff worked
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TigaPawz
TigaPawz
125. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 22 2008, 3:53 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 22 2008, 3:53 AM EST
I just skipped to the scene with the observer.... Creepy. 1  out of 9 found this valuable. Do you?    
TigaPawz
TigaPawz
126. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 22 2008, 4:30 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 22 2008, 4:30 AM EST
"the observer is like an albino...I watched on my tv/dvr and it's clearly a short guy and not the pale person we've seen in other episodes."
LOL ~ yeah the regular baldy was stuck in traffic. Poor stand in / never gets a good wrap. :o),
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127. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 22 2008, 6:19 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 22 2008, 6:19 AM EST
"thor didn't pass though solid material it bore a hole if i remeber correctly the sfe deal didn't leave a hole in the safe"
I don't know that it "bored" its way around - that would require blades to scoop and push stuff behind it. I'm pretty sure it vibrated (resonated) through the ground. Thor going thru 7,000 miles of planet to get to the other side sounds like it went through "solid material" to me. Just because Thor left a little dimple on entry/exit doesn't mean the safe had to have a hole left in it when Loeb pulled the apple thru, Music is about vibration and resonance (hence little Ben). Sound cancellation headsets are used today to counteract harmful frequencies and decibels, aka destructive interference. Constructive interference is when waves (sound/water) pile-up. I think "The Equatiion" does both - at the same time. Focusing two (or more) complimentary frequencies, offset just enough to shake the atoms apart in the side of the safe - but not so far apart that the cancelling effect can't keep everything in place during, and after the energy is applied.
- - Quotes - -
(Early in "The Arrival") It came from underground. The thing blasted through an unused subway tunnel into a gas main. Came to rest right on the surface. As if someone had carefully placed it there. Solid iridium? We think so, yes. Subsonic vibrations? At two megahertz, and then again at four. This thing is vibrating.

(A little later)
Many years ago, I worked on project Thor. The Department of Defense wanted a subterranean torpedo. A missile which could, in theory, be shot from anywhere in the world - through the earth's core and hit its target on the other side.

(At the very end)
Today, what happened with the capsule, I'm not sure how I knew about the vibrations, the composition. But then when I tested it myself, heard the vibrations, felt them, it was as if an envelope had been opened and I could finally read my instructions. Instantly, I knew I had to protect the capsule for him.
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ownedtoo
ownedtoo
128. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 22 2008, 5:18 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 22 2008, 5:18 PM EST
" Just because Thor left a little dimple on entry/exit doesn't mean the safe had to have a hole left in it when Loeb pulled the apple thru, Music is about vibration and resonance (hence little Ben). .
- - Quotes - -
(Early in "The Arrival") It came from underground. The thing blasted through an unused subway tunnel into a gas main. Came to rest right on the surface. As if someone had carefully placed it there. Solid iridium? We think so, yes. Subsonic vibrations? At two megahertz, and then again at four. This thing is vibrating."
OK.. I remmeber it did vibrate so maybe the equation was to get the vibrations right to move something through solid material like the Thor and athor only leaves a mark because of it size and having come through soil and not steel... but it it moves though solid material way was the gas main ruptured and not jus leak for a sec as Thor passed through it?? just something else to think about.. and it did have a screw like groove of some sort around it.. i don't know mosty thinkin out load trying to work my fringe out on it
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tanner3636
tanner3636
129. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 22 2008, 6:34 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 22 2008, 6:34 PM EST
It's still a great idea/connection. In the episode, "The Arrival", we learned about the vibrating capsule that, essentially, did what the guy with the apple did, as well as what Thor did. Funny that the similar torpedo project Walter was assigned was called project Thor, and he was trying to grasp and put into affect the same concept of traveling through solid material.

I've noticed that there is more than one clue in each episode for future episodes, because looking back at "The Arrival", it is full of clues for this episode. And, also, looking back at other episodes we find the green/red pattern as well.
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130. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 23 2008, 1:36 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2008, 1:36 AM EST
"...why was the gas main ruptured, and not just a leak for a sec as Thor passed through it? ... and it did have a screw like groove of some sort around it.. "
...because the center of the gas pipe wasn't solid... it was filled with gaseous material. Thor doesn't bore thru gaseous material. It bores thru solid/liquified material. If it went thru gaseous material it would hit the atmosphere at continue to bore thru to the edge of space (about 25 miles up) - hit outer space, then fall back thru the atmosphere to the surface of the planet, and continue back thru the core to the opposite side of the planet - and up to thru the atmosphere, etc.... It did have a spiral groove - seemed more decorative (red/green lighting) than functional....
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teklord1
131. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 23 2008, 1:57 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2008, 1:57 PM EST
"If you saw a butterfly on a trashcan, that's probably the clue. And what was on the wall behind Peter was HR (unless i saw it wrong). Other things that stood out to me:

* License plate of Ostler's car 332 EWB ------ possibly another "cell" like ZFT? I'd like to look at Astrid's list again from last episode.
* Superman was on TV in the dungeon with Ben
* I "think" that one of the patient drawings on the wall in the St. Claire's common room (where all the patients were) was a painting of a six-fingered hand. Not sure about that though, I'd need a second look (and I don't DVR!)
* When Ben is in the car with his dad and begins writing music, he makes a gesture on the window while he is "visualizing" the music. It kind of looked like the Hawaiian "shaka" or sign language for love? Not sure if it's signifficant or not....

I'm sure we'll all have more later. Good episode though! They're starting to drive me crazy!"
In the orginal Superman series, there was a episode that a gangster built a impenetrable cube and Superman has to discover a way to get into the cube. Working with a scientist he discovers a way to excite his boby structure to pass through it.
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harrisonfandl
132. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 23 2008, 4:12 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2008, 4:12 PM EST
"Lets' see. Walter Bishop (initials W.B.) - William Bell (initials W.B.) - FRINGE filmed by Warner Bros. TV studios (sorry, bad example) ... NO ONE has seen Bell. Bishop IS Bell... Doing all his (schizo) work from St Claire's for nearly two decades... MassDyn controlled by him - not a chance... MassDyn successful without his brilliance - not a chance. Why does Doc Sumner want Bishop back at the asylum? To get on with the real work they do there. You can hang a lantern on this one - its' so obvious.
--Not sure if The Observer got a credited role this episode - but it sure is fun playing -"Where's Baldo?" every week. "
My thoughts exactly. It explains why Walter always knows how to solve everything each week. He is the genius behind all of the horrible things that are happening. It is the only way to explain why the mental hospital wants him back. Regarding the Walter being William bell I think it is kind of like smeagle from LOTR but differen't in the fact that the personalities aren't aware of each other all of the time. Maybe they only see each other because of the medicine they give him at the asylum.
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BuckeyeMan
133. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Nov 25 2008, 11:40 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2008, 11:40 AM EST
"I figured it was because she knew too much.
(The gizmo worked so she was a loose end with that knowledge!)
"
I agree but wouldn't they also have an exposure with the boy...infact a bigger one. I would think they would do everything they could to get rid of him.
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Drunkenmegamunky
Drunkenmegamunky
134. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Feb 19 2009, 6:04 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2009, 6:04 AM EST
"So what exactly did that machine at the end do?
The guy put an apple in the machine, and then pulled out an apple... ;) Did I miss something?"
In the images like the frog with the omega sign on its back, there is one where there is an apple with two babies inside it, maby this links to the apple scene.
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gil_cdn
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135. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
Feb 19 2009, 10:55 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2009, 10:55 AM EST
"So what exactly did that machine at the end do?
The guy put an apple in the machine, and then pulled out an apple... ;) Did I miss something?"

FYI, this has been answered in ep.1.10 Safe, where Mitchel Loeb and a few ex-marine, penetrate wall of several safe using the 'GRID' in order to stole Walter's teleportation machine to help Mr. Jones escape from German Prison.

Apparent, the equation is a crucial link to making the Grid worked!

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lucifah
lucifah
136. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
May 2 2009, 12:00 PM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2009, 12:00 PM EDT
only parts of the machine were recovered, to use Dis-re u dont need all the bits(of which there are seven) ZFT only had a few parts hence teleportation only not time travel or dimentional travel. I think Dis-re is gonna play a role in the next couple of episodes. Do you find this valuable?    
fat_rabbit_kemz
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137. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
May 3 2009, 3:06 AM EDT | Post edited: May 3 2009, 3:06 AM EDT
How do you know there are 7 parts to the Dis-Re machine? Do you find this valuable?    
lucifah
lucifah
138. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
May 4 2009, 10:20 AM EDT | Post edited: May 4 2009, 10:21 AM EDT
"How do you know there are 7 parts to the Dis-Re machine?"
Check the recaps page for ep10, at the start of this episode one of the robbers finds himself trapped in the wall at Philadelphia Mutual Savings Bank, Broyles says two other banks had been turned in Cleveland and Baltimore. Now check out Walters lab notes 1.10 in them he mentions Cleveland, Baltimore and Philadelphia.
" So many details, yet none that actually matter! Where oh where have my details gone? Lost -- or stolen. I asked the Summoner (maybe an abstract simile for Dr Sumner from St Claires) if I could seach for my errant thoughts in his lost &found, but he refused, said I'd find the missing friars in Satan's hindquarters. Curse him! ***I know the rule! "cannot build phallic puzzles inside the lab"*** I still know the numbers, too --well I damn well should, it's a simple second order recursive algorithm -- *** but a mnemonic is worthless without it's contents.*** Like a sad coat rack with empty pegs."

So going by what a mnemonic is, Walter's - Cannot Build Phallic Puzzle's Inside The Lab means change the words but keep the first letter C B P P I T L = Cleveland, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Paumanok, I, T and L.

I gleamed Paumanok from Lab Notes 1.05
" So many memories left behind in that mirthless place... [St. Claire's] and so many taken. My visitor was a hungry kingfisher, diving and plucking thoughts from the sea of my mind.
Speaking of hunger, I have an inexplicable craving for squab.
But I digress. Now we shall make the birdsthemselves forget -- realign the magnetite in their beaks -- reprogram their cryptochrome compasses -- reset their perception of magnetic north. Make the flock our lodestone, no meager trick! *** From Paumanok starting I fly like a bird. If only these creatures would point their beaks to my forgotten place, the last hidey-hole. Would they fly in a golden spiral? ***

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dannyx2kx
139. RE: Episode 8, The Equation Discussion Thread
May 29 2009, 5:20 PM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2009, 5:20 PM EDT
A solid safe... 0_o Do you find this valuable?    
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