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Starblaize |
40. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 18 2008, 10:36 PM EST
I love the show just because of the all the things it makes me think about. Nah, I don't think he is an alien. Not sure what he is. He wears clothes that seem to be from the '50's or early '60's. And even though his binoculars are pretty sophisticated they look like the kind that was popular 40-50 years ago. He uses a pocket watch and he writes backward in a journal. I think he goes forward into the past the way we go forward into the future. Perhaps if we looked at his writing in a mirror it could be deciphered or we could find a clue? Even his phone looked like it might be engineered to look like a wallet. I never really got a good look at it though. Perhaps the cut of his suit and the things he uses is a clue as to when his mission ends. Perhaps he comes from the future to observe events related to the pattern. In his reality, Walter saves the beacon first and the Observer saves Walter and his son as a favor. If he came from the future and he had foreknowledge of these things, it would explain how he seems to know about every event that relates the pattern. Of course I see lots of things into this show. Each Chess player gets two bishops. We have Walter and Peter. Who does the other side have? I could go on, but I think you get the point. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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41. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 18 2008, 11:40 PM EST
"I think the observer only gets involved if something critical to the pattern is in danger. Something interesting that Peter was able to sneak up on him in the forest and knock him to the ground. The observer appeared shocked as if this could happen to him. Is he merely telepathic or is he clairvoyant also, but Peter has some abilities that no one suspects (except for Walter)? "OK these are the best observations you have made so far. I totally missed that Peter DID surprise him. That's a biggie. Either Peter does have an ability to be covert around the man who is otherwise aware of everything before it happens, or the observer HAS altered the course of events with his observations to the point that Peter could suprise him. Brilliant observation DarkMotor! 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DarkMotor |
42. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 19 2008, 9:07 AM EST
"I think he goes forward into the past the way we go forward into the future. Perhaps if we looked at his writing in a mirror it could be deciphered or we could find a clue? Even his phone looked like it might be engineered to look like a wallet. I never really got a good look at it though. Perhaps the cut of his suit and the things he uses is a clue as to when his mission ends. Perhaps he comes from the future to observe events related to the pattern. In his reality, Walter saves the beacon first and the Observer saves Walter and his son as a favor. If he came from the future and he had foreknowledge of these things, it would explain how he seems to know about every event that relates the pattern."This reminds me! The Observer phones home after each event, but prior to the event he zooms in with binoculars to note certain people in proximity to where the event is about to occur and then writes something pertaining to THEM... not the event itself. His notes resemble mathematical formulas which then would seem quite interesting given your ideas about what he's really up to. Is he going in reverse, observing the the crane falling and THEN writing down who was injured by it so he can save them like he did Peter and Walter? Perhaps... and this is a biggie... he is writing backwards, traveling backwards and erasing damage caused by the the pattern and "correcting" history? I had not thought of this and if it's true... that would be awesome. This is some tasty food for thought! 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DarkMotor |
43. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 19 2008, 9:35 AM EST
"OK these are the best observations you have made so far. I totally missed that Peter DID surprise him. That's a biggie. Either Peter does have an ability to be covert around the man who is otherwise aware of everything before it happens, or the observer HAS altered the course of events with his observations to the point that Peter could suprise him. Brilliant observation DarkMotor!"Could Peter be going backwards like the Observer also? This might explain why he doesn't remember his toys. Did a future Walter clone Peter and send him back to correct his life? Did Walter send himself back also and one of his identities is William Bell? Walter is surprised that Olivia hadn't discovered Peter's medical history. Is that because someone went back and removed it? Everyone works for different teams. Are these different groups racing backwards to effect the outcomes of their futures to their own advantage? This would help explain why so many people who seem to know too much about the pattern, still become surprised by certain actions carried out by one of the other groups. And why the Observer is surprised by Peter in the Forest. Why does he mistrust the Observer like he mistrust Walter? Did a future Walter send back the beacon as a way of communicating with those he has sent back? Is this why the Observer can't touch it, because of some time paradox involved? This show just got a lot more interesting for me. Maybe it's all about time travel and that's why the technology all seems so futuristic! The Equation? Fibonacci sequence? Butterfly Effect? Hhmm... 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Starblaize |
44. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 19 2008, 7:15 PM EST
If the Observer is going forward into the past from the future, then he might have foreknowledge of pattern related events, but his very presence changes history and his interaction with certain characters. I am not sure that there are more moving through the past. Apparently he cannot directly interfere with Pattern related events; but we do know from Walter he can interact with people and affect change in that manner. He may also have the ability to temporarily switch into our time stream and perhaps his watch allows him to do this. He could then interact with others as needed. We may not be able to notice him when he is moving forward into the past. (I am thinking of interaction with the waitress at the cafe.) Perhaps Peter caught him in his normal temporal state and hence their odd interaction.
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45. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 19 2008, 7:51 PM EST
"If the Observer is going forward into the past from the future, then he might have foreknowledge of pattern related events, but his very presence changes history and his interaction with certain characters. I am not sure that there are more moving through the past. Apparently he cannot directly interfere with Pattern related events; but we do know from Walter he can interact with people and affect change in that manner. He may also have the ability to temporarily switch into our time stream and perhaps his watch allows him to do this. He could then interact with others as needed. We may not be able to notice him when he is moving forward into the past. (I am thinking of interaction with the waitress at the cafe.) Perhaps Peter caught him in his normal temporal state and hence their odd interaction. "His watch is just a cheap 'Majestron'. I used to sell them. Nothing special. I still think he is using Quantum Mechanics to do the things he's doing, not 'simple' time travel (if there is such a thing as simple time travel). His writing, for instance, isn't really backwards ---it is simply written right to left (like several languages in use today). His appearance is more retro than futuristic, a clue that he is probably moving along the same timeline as us, only NOT subject to fashion or trends or other outside influences. His diet is restricted due to some physiological reason (which is either 'natural' for him and his kind, or perhaps it was inflicted on him) or preference, as in someone who has lost some degree of his senses, (maybe due to several generations of the cloning of clones?) Also, if he is indeed moving backwards relative to us, the car incident wouldn't have happened for him yet, and he wouldn't expect any help from Walter. QM would allow that to occur, tho. Just some things to think about. Moving backwards in a timeline would explain some of this, but I think the cause-effect/effect-cause of Quantum Mechanics fits better and explains more. It is also seems pretty clear to Walter, genius that he is. It is said that only a handful of people truly understand the physics and possibilities inherent in QM --he may be one of them --at least in the world of Fringe. I suspect Bell would be another. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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46. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 19 2008, 9:05 PM EST
The QM angle is an interesting one to think about and one I will ponder a while. The car accident argument you use is not convincing to me, but I am going to watch the episode again to make sure I didn't miss anything. We can assume the Observer is aware of events as they occur. Perhaps he first becomes aware of Walter because of Walter's interaction with the beacon and in interacting with Walter, the Observer realizes that he saves Walter and Peter in his future. He realizes that Walter has helped him because of debt owed. The Observer would also understand that when he saves Walter and Peter, the event in question (saving the beacon) still has to occur in Walter and Peter's future. To avoid confusion and long explanations, he simply tells Walter, that Walter will help him in Walter's future. Perhaps in the future the Observer comes from Peter died in the accident and this is one of the reasons Peter is able to surprise him. On a side note: I wouldn't get too hung up on the fact his watch is a Majestron. I don't know that his binoculars are particulary high-end. Similar cheap pairs were pretty common when I was young. I suspect that the items he carries were specifically picked because they are mundane and would not attract unwanted attention. I am willing to bet his watch will display some unusual properties in future episodes. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DarkMotor |
47. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 19 2008, 9:43 PM EST
The Observer repeats Peters thoughts as if rifling through a filing cabinet until he gets to the question "Are you really friends with my father?" At this point, he becomes more relaxed now that he seems to have identified who Peter is and is able to determine a course of action for himself. This may tie into why he he is observing, he is searching for information needed in order to determine a best course of action... if a mistake occurs, the butterfly effect ensues and the problem would then "spiral" out of control or as Walter might put it "mushroom" into a larger problem. In Quantum theory, one certainly would not want the solution to become bigger than the original problem or the cover up to become larger than the original crime.
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DarkMotor |
48. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 19 2008, 9:57 PM EST
Mr. Jones also requests a certain watch to use, like the observer. I think a special timekeeping device could play some role in this type of activity. I think everything in each scene has a specific purpose for being shown to us, which would seem to indicate that everything about the observer is a clue tying into something that we'll find out later, just as each episode leads up to the next event. There must be something to the observers watch as well as his appearance and everything else or it would not be the way that it is. There are no coincidences here I think except perhaps the occasional one in the interest of entertainment or artistic license.
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49. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 22 2008, 8:37 AM EST
Wow, nice to see so much conversation from my original post ^^
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DarkMotor |
50. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 22 2008, 11:19 PM EST
"Wow, nice to see so much conversation from my original post ^^"I think this is a reflection upon the creators of the show and the great job they do in not only painting a picture but one that is interesting on so many levels similar to the Matrix trilogy. No stone has been left unturned in presenting us with maximal stimulus overload for our hungry minds while in a story that is still discernible to a wide cross section of viewers. It's a fine line I think between satisfying the needs of the increasingly sophisticated audience of the 21st century while still making a story which appeals to a large cross-section of the population so that it is successful. I hope enough people catch the bug. I think the Observer not having eyebrows makes his appearance more empathic which works well with his character. They really did a great job creating this character as he provides a so much needed insight into what the pattern might consist of for those attempting to follow along. He has so little screen time yet, is nearly as important as any of the major characters in the show. He's an interesting guy! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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51. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 23 2008, 12:02 AM EST
"He's an interesting guy!"I have to agree with you here... He is dang interesting --- makes the show a fun 'game' sorta time! He's just as interesting IRL too --- great musician/singer/songwriter! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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52. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 23 2008, 8:00 PM EST
"It is quite ironic that you write about everyone being "an observer" as they are somehow detached from events, and yet here you are being Observer-like with your commentary."You guys are fun, there are lessons in our entertainment it would seem. A little behavioral science is in order I think. In order to overcome anything you must experience it first to know what's to overcome. From observation comes insight, then this very insight becomes action. Through the experience of observation, we identify patterns. Once you comprehend a pattern, you can make a choice, affect action, and adapt change. So it would seem to me, that the Observer is at once detached, observing but that itself becomes part of the experience. Like if you're observing than you cannot be said to be wholly detached, but you must take a step back in order to fully understand an experience. How very interesting!! It sounds like speaking in circles but not really, it's like a pattern or maybe a template. The Observers binoculars have a green overlay, like reticular symbology or a heads up display which seems to not only display information but also to be interactive to a degree as well. Kinda like we're doing now! I'm beginning to see for myself, and so to make more sense of things. Fun medicine? I think I may have just impaled myself... sort of. Hhmm... 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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53. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 31 2008, 2:18 PM EST
Look at it this way: He ate this raw beef (which contributes to the reptillian theory) with peppers, pepper, and hot sauce. From this information I'm assuming that he doesn't have a very good sense of taste and must pile this stuff on it to taste it moderately. My question is: Dd reptiles have a low sense of taste? Also, I think Dr. Bishop's theory about him observing Olivia is very plausible and there being many observers is also plausible, especially with the reptillian theory: If you were given three grass snakes, one of which you've seen before, could you identify which one this is? No, unless there's some major defect of some kind to identify it by. This would be how the reptillians see humans, therefore there only being one guise or "suit" for the whole bunch when they walk among us. I honestly have no idea what the observer is, there are many ways the writers can go with this. Happy theorizing!
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54. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 31 2008, 4:40 PM EST
"Look at it this way: He ate this raw beef (which contributes to the reptillian theory) with peppers, pepper, and hot sauce. From this information I'm assuming that he doesn't have a very good sense of taste and must pile this stuff on it to taste it moderately. My question is: Dd reptiles have a low sense of taste? Also, I think Dr. Bishop's theory about him observing Olivia is very plausible and there being many observers is also plausible, especially with the reptillian theory: If you were given three grass snakes, one of which you've seen before, could you identify which one this is? No, unless there's some major defect of some kind to identify it by. This would be how the reptillians see humans, therefore there only being one guise or "suit" for the whole bunch when they walk among us. I honestly have no idea what the observer is, there are many ways the writers can go with this. Happy theorizing!"Pretty much have to rule out anything reptilian, as a cold-blooded animal cannot function in extreme cold, as was the case in the icy wreck Walter and Peter had years before and from which they were saved by 'The Observer'. Not sure what he is yet, but reptilian wouldn't work at all with what little IS known about him. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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55. RE: My theory on the Observer
Dec 31 2008, 5:35 PM EST
"Pretty much have to rule out anything reptilian, as a cold-blooded animal cannot function in extreme cold, as was the case in the icy wreck Walter and Peter had years before and from which they were saved by 'The Observer'.Agreed, arjay999. i don't think The Observer is reptilian. Even though my alien idea was quashed quite a few comments ago, I still think there is something valid in the idea of someone who is watching our movements, our progression towards The End. The Observer inhabits a Human Suit - that's why he never ages, doesn't have hair, and cannot truly taste or enjoy food. He is basically wearing some type of advanced silicone costume. This would also account for multiple Observers, all wearing the same costume. One other thought I had - and this was upon my first viewing of "The Arrival" - as The Observer downs extremes of food (raw meat, spicy jalapenos, hot sauce), all the while compiling cryptic notes or formulas, moments later we see the construction site explode in a fiery blaze. What if whatever he ingests he is somehow able to manipulate into real-world events? That somehow his tastebuds transfer into action? He takes notes about what he eats, watches the result, and continues to tweak his formulas? Perhaps Walter mentioning food in every episode was a subtle hint at explaining The Observer's power? 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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56. RE: My theory on the Observer
Jan 1 2009, 4:06 AM EST
"Agreed, arjay999. i don't think The Observer is reptilian.YIKES! Now that is truly food [ ;-) ] for thought! That ties in several different events/progressions into a unified observer theory (hats off to Alfred Einstein!) Connecting that with Walter's food obsessions may just be brilliance. Of course, we may just both be as bonkers as Walter, but that somehow would be OK with me. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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57. RE: My theory on the Observer
Jan 5 2009, 1:56 PM EST
Just a couple of quick thoughts: washby, great thought about the Golden Ratio. If you pay continuous attention, you'll notice that many shots (relevant objects, single faces, Nina Sharpe's desk in an otherwise empty office, etc.) are arranged accordingly.DarkMotor, the word used by the Observer to describe Walter is "connaisseur", which comes from the French verb connaître (to know); it describes a knowledgeable and hedonistic expert in the field of cuisine or fine arts. I understood the comment to be a compliment in response to Walter's precise yet paradoxical description of the drink. It seems what distinguishes Walter in his eyes is his non-linear mode of thinking. I think we can trust the producers on there being no aliens. I'm not sure if he's reptilian, there seems little evidence for it (but also really none against it, since recent research is debating whether some dinosaur species might have been warm-blooded). It seems to me there are too possible choices here (also both could be true): 1) he's a time traveller 2) he's not much more than a literary device designed to draw the implicit viewer deeper into the show's reality. Whether he is one individual or many clones seems irrelevant in this context, particularly as he/they seem to be omniscient. It all hinges on what The Pattern is. I think it is not an organization with cells (Abrams used up that idea for Alias) or in any way a unitary actor (X-Files paranoia isn't scary anymore, 'cause since 9/11 the news are much scarier). Broyles rhetoric reminds me more of a subculture tugged away in our society (scary part!), probably driven by a consensus that they will become the main culture eventually. The Observer could be a time traveller sent with a historical-recording or policing mission. This would suggest also that Bishop/Bell is somehow the intellectual origin of this subculture. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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58. RE: My theory on the Observer
Jan 5 2009, 9:44 PM EST
There has been some good discussion on this thread, and to arjay's credit, I am reconsidering my original theory in favor of his QM theory. Diplodocus, Patterns occur in Chaos Theory. And in CT, systems are sensitive to initial conditions; sensitive enough that the effects of the initial conditions can grow exponentially. Future states of the system may appear random, but are wholly defined by the initial state of the system. Perhaps we need to learn more about the initial state to better understand the Pattern? I wouldn't be surprised if some fractals start popping up, if they haven't already 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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59. RE: My theory on the Observer
Jan 6 2009, 6:59 PM EST
"Pretty much have to rule out anything reptilian, as a cold-blooded animal cannot function in extreme cold, as was the case in the icy wreck Walter and Peter had years before and from which they were saved by 'The Observer'.I agree with this person, I don't really think he is reptillian. I just want to add, that over the past year The Observer has not seemed to age. In the pics of him in Broyle's office compare to those in Walter and his confrontation. Idk, I think that that is kinda fishy. I also believe that the observer is capable of growing hair and chooses not to. My bro. ois kicking me off so I'll finish this later.......... LOOK 4 IT PLZ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |