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Who is the "Observer"?
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Nov 14 2009, 12:03 PM EST by
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Thread started: Feb 26 2009, 9:20 PM EST
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There are so many theories! We do know that he has been around for a VERY long time...
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RE: Who is the "Observer"?
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Nov 14 2009, 12:03 PM EST
its been touched on a little in some of the postings and i am one that thinks the "observer" is from another dimension or time. everyone has heard the saying "everything happens for a reason". i think that the observer is here to make sure that the world stays on its course, the course that maybe it was designed for and that if time travel is possible for him then its got to be for others, others that can change the course of history. which would explain him always being around at all major history events because if anything were going to be changed it would be those. for instance look at the assasSination of JFK. if i'm not mistaken in one of the episodes they had pictures of him outside of the hospital where JFK was taken to in Dallas. if you noticed on the paper in bells office JFK's picture was on it talking about him attending a conferance(cant remember exactlty) but he was still alive. one thing did just occur to me... what if the observer is here from the alt universe working for bell making sure that all of the bad happens here and the alt. maintains the perfect world atmosphere. what i mean is in another post i said that the alt. universe had some of the things we didnt have anymore. JFK, Challenger,WTC, and Peter. we know that JFK was killed, the Challenger blew up, WTC's were destroyed and our Peter died. well we all have come to the conclusion that the peter we have is the "alt" peter because ours died. well they lost peter and the perfect world no longer exist causing the rift between the two. maybe thats why the observer took walter back to peters grave telling him that peter died and even though you had the power to change it you shouldnt have.
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Was Peter Bishop also a Cortexiphan test subject?
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Friday, 3:23 PM EST by
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Thread started: Feb 26 2009, 9:32 PM EST
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Walter has said in previous episodes that he experimented on Peter. Was Peter Bishop also a Cortexiphan test subject?
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RE: Was Peter Bishop also a Cortexiphan test subject?
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Friday, 3:23 PM EST
I don't the original Peter was a Cortexiphan, but the borrowed Peter was. That Peter Bishop was able to fake his way into a chemistry Professorship at MIT and be able to publish articles in academic Chemistry Journals is at least as bizarre as any recognized Fringe incident, if far less disgusting. I don't know if Walter Bishop has realized this yet.
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Was Olivia's sister also a Cortexiphan test subject?
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Thursday, 11:22 PM EST by
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Thread started: Feb 26 2009, 9:36 PM EST
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Did Olivia's father ONLY subject Olivia to the Cortexiphan drug testing?
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Thursday, 11:22 PM EST
"Yes, I noticed that she never invited them either! The Peter/Olivia part of me was so depressed at that! But I can see that she is guarded, very private, though I keep hoping for this season that we can see them, you know, eating somewhere together. That's why it was so fun to see them talking late at night in her hotel room in Dream Logic and she let him in! thank heavensDoes Olivia ever get to go out - remember Dreamscape, when she was going to the party, and then Broyles called her. That's the last time we've seen her going out. That's why it was so good to see her with Rachel and Ella, because we saw another - warmer, I agree very much - side to her, softness and kindness and laughter that she hides when she's in FBI mode. It was nice to see Olivia rounded out! But, like you and I said on the Olivia ability thread, I think she is in shock (like the Anna Torv interview today), and she's grieving another death. " Yes, I remember that scene in "The Dreamscape". It was nice to see that she had another side that dresses up for parties and chats with friends, even though it got spoiled. Must be almost impossible for her to have a social life. I liked the scene in "Dream Logic" at the hotel when they talked, each in their university t-shirts. I don't know about a Peter/Olivia romance. There's more than a hint of a sibling relationship between the two, and a romance might be very awkward. If the producers do decide to go that way, then I hope they don't drag it out. These are two single, consenting adults, and if they want to be together then there shouldn't be anything stopping them. Wasn't it great to see Ella on the "August" episode? I was so pleased, and we found out an answer: Rachel and Ella are still staying with Olivia. Loved the scene at the end on the roller coaster, but how ominous were those last lines from the Observers?!
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Wednesday, 7:20 PM EST by
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Maybe it's just me but has anyone else noticed that the hand glyph may be that of a female? The way to tell is, a female's ring finger and index finger are the opposite of a male's. In 99.9% of the time, the index finger of a female will be longer than her ring finger. And in males it is just the opposite the ring finger is longer than the index. So if all of the finger were to held together on the hand glyph, it appears that the index maybe longer than the ring finger. Maybe I'm wrong but take a look for yourself, could this be a hand of a woman?
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Wednesday, 7:20 PM EST
"maybe its just me but the palm also looks like an apple with a bite taken from it. could be nothing." It does look like there is something unusual about the palm of the hand, though the photos l have seen of it don't have enough detail to be able to tell what it is. If anyone knows of any place that has larger photos of the glyphs than the ones on the glyph cipher page please let me know.
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bishops lab notes. he is a genious why am i seeing spelling errors ?
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Nov 8 2009, 10:41 PM EST by
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Thread started: Jul 26 2009, 8:13 PM EDT
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so ive been reading all of the bishop lab notes the producers have set up right... and a few seem to have some pretty blatent spelling errors like the one for episode 20 was brain spelt brane... can someone look into this because maybe its also a pattern?
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RE: bishops lab notes. he is a genious why am i seeing spelling errors ?
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Nov 8 2009, 10:41 PM EST
"That phrase, regarding "the widow's son", is used by members of Masonic Order, as a desparte plea for assistance from fellow Masons. If I recall correctly, the actual phrase is: "Oh Lord, Oh God, who will help the widow's son?". This is recognized by other Masons as a most dire plea for aid, much like flying the American flag upsidedown is recognized as a most dire cry for help (done flawlessly in the film Red Dawn).
The Masonic Order has long been linked (largely by non-Masons) to virtually every consipiracy theory ever circulated, since the founding of their order. Sadly to say, they are, in fact, little more than a Men's Club who use a handful of odd phrases, and curious "handshakes" to denote themselves to one another. As for some greater goal or hidden adgenda, the Masons are involved in little more than some exceptional charity work, and putting on circuses for children - despite what The Da Vinci Code and countless conspiracy theorists might want the world to believe.
As for mis-spellings in Walter's notes...
If anyone actually knows anyone who does possess Genius-level IQ's can attest that these people, for all their intelligence, often have other shortcomings, such as poor social skills, or yes, even the inability to spell.
Consider Albert Einstein - he would often be found by police, near his home, spouting off all manner of obscenities because he was utterly frustrated by the fact that he had walked out of his home, perhaps to the corner store for some item he could not recall when he got there, and then discovered that he had no idea where he was, despite being less than a block from his home." Regarding your last paragraph about Einstein, I'm now 64,like the Beatles sang about, and I can sure relate.
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Is the Observer changing reality?
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Oct 24 2009, 11:56 PM EDT by
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Thread started: Feb 26 2009, 9:23 PM EST
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We know he's observing the pattern, but is does his presence create a "footprint"?
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RE: Is the Observer changing reality?
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Oct 24 2009, 11:56 PM EDT
We know there are supposed to be an infinate number of universes. We also know that if 2 universes "collide" only one will be left standing. What if the Observer(s) come from a universe where this has already happened? Having already seen the pattern play itself out, they would know what to look for to be where ever these events occure.
An even scarier possiblity is that the observers themselves started this whole mess and are takeing notes as a sort of science project to see what happens when two realities collide.
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Why can Olivia "see" John Scott?
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Sep 25 2009, 11:31 AM EDT by
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Thread started: Feb 26 2009, 9:39 PM EST
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Is John Scott actually dead? Why can Olivia still see him? is it her own mind playing tricks on her? Or is it truly only memories of him?
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Sep 25 2009, 11:31 AM EDT
I think she can see him because the veil is ever so slightly lifting to reveal her TRUE identity.
Angel
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Interdimensional cop?
*Giggles*
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shapeshifter
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Sep 22 2009, 7:06 PM EDT by
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I am new to this so forgive me if I am asking an obvious question. The shapeshifter kills the person, leaves the body and leaves looking like that person. So at the end of this episode...shapeshifter looks like Charlie....standing over the body of the nurse...but the shapeshifter WAS the nurse....having taken the shape of said nurse and I guess left her body somewhere....how does that make sense? The shapeshifter doesn't possess the body..so he hasn't "moved into Charlie". Shapeshifter has to be alive to shift into looking like Charlie....is the body that of the real nurse? If it is,how do they miss that?
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Sep 22 2009, 7:06 PM EDT
"In the context of the episode in which it was revealed I think that Peter is from the alternate reality." That's how I took it.
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The road not taken
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Sep 11 2009, 3:55 PM EDT by
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This episode (9/03/2009) is full of email messages on DTV that appears to be from people involved in the filming. Very annoying.
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Is the Observer from the alternate reality?
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Sep 10 2009, 10:30 PM EDT by
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Is the Observer from the alternate reality? Where is he from? Some say space, but now we have this introduction of the concept of the battle of the realities...
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Sep 10 2009, 10:30 PM EDT
"Another thought just to throw out there for discussion and speculation sake:
What if these Observers are human from the future (who had lost the 'War' between the two universe and therefore were forced to hide in conceal chambers, resulting in their paleness and baldness.)
They have now find a way to travel back through time, in order to help the 'Warriors' (remember Jones is recruiting Olivia to become one) to win the war, therefore altering the final outcome.
Although, I've always had issues with time travelling 'cause it can easily leads to multiple endless loops ..... one can go back again and again to change the outcome of things!" There is also a theory by Michio Kaku on Youtube about Time Travel, Parallel Universes, and Alternate Reality. It's a very interesting theory that would explains or open a huge discussion regarding the observer. Check this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkE2yQPw6s Enjoy... =)
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What is the Observer doing with the pattern information?
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Jun 17 2009, 11:09 AM EDT by
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Thread started: Feb 26 2009, 9:24 PM EST
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Is he reporting it to someone? Is he just a witness to the events at hand?
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Jun 17 2009, 11:09 AM EDT
Today's Theory:
Just a theory mind you, but it's entirely possible that September is simply... Observing how these Pattern events unfold.
I know, it's a deep theory. But consider:
If September is, in fact, from an alternate reality, which is, "similar to our own, but with little differences", then it stands to reason that they have their own Pattern events unfolding there, and in an effort to understand them, September is Observing how they unfold in our reality, thus gaining some measure of understanding how these events will impact their reality.
This could well explain his need to stay uninvolved, or as uninvolved as possible, to not change the outcome of the event (a la Schrodinger's Cat).
It also stands to reason, that there has been some determination of the importance of the Bishops, thus making it necessary for September to have involved himself to some degree in their lives, though this involvement still requires special handling, as noted by his remark in There's More Than One of Everything about having "said too much already.".
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Did Walter write The ZFT Manifesto?
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May 29 2009, 6:09 PM EDT by
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Walter discovered the manifesto was typed on his typewriter, but was the author?
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May 29 2009, 6:09 PM EDT
William Bell... it makes me wonder more and more, given the season's last episode title: There's More Than One of Everything... Is the William Bell we know the "real" William Bell, or William Bell from "the other side"? Or did Walter work with William Bell from "the other side", and that William Bell has been replaced by the William Bell we've seen? It could explain why the manuscript was written in German... Of course, as I recall, they made mention of the ZFT Manifesto having been destroyed, so it is also possible that the German ZFT Manifesto was a copy of Bell's original made by someone else.
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What were they saving Olivia from?
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May 29 2009, 6:03 PM EDT by
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In the episode Bound Mitchell Loeb claims that they abducted Olivia Dunham in order to save her. Save her from what?
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May 29 2009, 6:03 PM EDT
According to the ZFT Manifesto, they would have been trying to "save" her from the coming war. Since we know Olivia was a cortexiphan subject, and very likely has some degree of ability due to this (hence Jones's "testing" of her), we can conclude this would be the logical course. We also know Olivia has some other exceptional ability - perhaps pyrokinetic, as evidenced from the tape Walter watched of a much younger Olivia in what appears to be aftermath of some manner of catastrophy.
I suppose the ultimate question to ask would be:
Who really are the "good guys" and the "bad guys" - for all we know, by the time this series plays itself out, we may end up rooting for ZFT and cursing the FBI's Fringe Division for screwing up things they didn't understand.
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The horrible side effects of teleportation.
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May 29 2009, 5:48 PM EDT by
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Walter refers to the side effects of teleportation as "worse than death". What do you think will happen to David Jones?
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May 29 2009, 5:48 PM EDT
Well, aside from what happened to Jones at the end of More Than One of Everything...
My theory is this: When a person is broken down, converted to energy, transmitted, and reassembled, aka Teleported, the following happens:
Since the person's molecular bonds were broken down by a high-energy device and reassembled, they hold a "charge" from that high-energy device which, over time, causes them to break down at the molecular level, rather slowly, until nothing remains of them but a puddle of chemical goo that makes up a person.
Certainly Jones's appearence at the end of Season 1 supports this, and I don't know about the rest of you, but I think breaking down at a molecular level would certainly qualify as a fate worse than just simple death.
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How did Mr. Jones rip that huge hole in the hospital wall and escape?
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May 29 2009, 5:41 PM EDT by
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What the heck happened there? Has he mutated?
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May 29 2009, 5:41 PM EDT
Theory Time again: As I recall, Walter stated the effects of teleportation don't "kill you, it's far worse." Given Jones's condition prior to the end of season 1, that is wrapped in bandages and appearantly degenerating, I would theorize the effect of teleportation to be a physical degeneration, perhaps breaking down at the molecular level, until nothing is left but a blob of goo. It is also likely that another side-effect is random energy discharge, left over from the teleportation itself. That sort of discharge would explain the hole in the hospital wall, the charred message and might have a link to that same molecular degeneration mentioned above. Certainly I'd think breaking down into one's chemical makeup, slowly, would certainly be worse than simple death. Of course, it would have been far more amusing to find out that the ultimate effect of being teleported is that you are eventually, if not rather painfully, returned to the place from which you were teleported - thus landing Jones, just as unexplainably as he disappeared, back in the same German prison.
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The Bell suname from William was a tribute for Bell's inequalitie?
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May 23 2009, 4:36 PM EDT by
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It would be the surname Bell of William, a tribute to the scientist Dr.John Bell of Bell's theorem or Bell's inequalities?
"A paradox first enunciated by Einstein et al. (1935), who proposed a thought experiment that appeared to demonstrate quantum mechanics to be an incomplete theory. The usual view of quantum mechanics says that a wave function determines the probabilities of an actual experimental result and that it is the most complete possible specification of the quantum state.
Bohm (1951) presented a paper in which he described a modified form of the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen thought experiment which he believed to be conceptually equivalent to that suggested by Einstein et al. (1935), but which was easier to treat mathematically. Bohm suggested using two atoms with a known total spin of zero, separated in a way that the spin of each atom points in a direction exactly opposite to that of the other. In this situation, the angular momentum of one particle can be measured indirectly by measuring the corresponding vector of the other particle. Bell (1964) subsequently formulated Bell's inequalities, which seemed to be a physically reasonable condition of locality which imposed restrictions on the maximum correlations of the measurements of a pair of spin 1/2 particles formed somehow in the singlet state and moving freely in opposite directions. This inequality can be tested in a laboratory experiment because the statistical predictions of quantum mechanics are incompatible with any local hidden variables theory apparently satisfying only the natural assumptions of "locality," as shown by the predictions of Bell's inequalities"
All directly connected with the theory of MWI, the relative state formulation, theory of the universal wavefunction, parallel universes, many-universes interpretation or just many worlds...
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Peter and Walter
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May 21 2009, 6:52 PM EDT by
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Lets say Peter died as a child and Walter went over to the the alternate universe and brought him back (with help from the observer of course). Was it easier for alternate Peter to travel through the portal because he was a child? Is that why Walter went crazy, because he traveled through the portal? Just a thought. He had to be somewhat sane at some point right? Or was it just too much LSD and the fact that some geniuses are actually very eccentric?
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May 21 2009, 6:52 PM EDT
I dont think Peter is a clone, i think he is from the other reality.... i just dont see JJ using cloneing.....
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Peter's mother/Walter's wife
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May 13 2009, 2:32 PM EDT by
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What do we know and what don't we know about her?
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Who is Mr. Jones?
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May 11 2009, 11:26 PM EDT by
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My guess: (give me your opinion on this) His real name is William Bell. Why else would he know about Olivia's cortexifan? Also would explain the quote: "Before they are soldiers, they must be concitered as recruits."
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If Walter wrote The ZFT Manifesto, did he design the pattern?
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May 6 2009, 7:46 AM EDT by
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If Walter wrote The ZFT Manifesto, did he design the pattern? Is he behind it all?
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May 6 2009, 7:46 AM EDT
my guess is that there are 2 "walters", each from different realities, both existing in the same reality. The walter from the current timeline wrote the manifesto and is a leader in the ZFT. The Walter that we are seeing is from the same time line as the observer and so he does not remember writing the manifesto.
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