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"The Same Old Story"


Fringe Cast Guide - FringeVITALS
Season: 1 Episode: 02
Original Air Date: September 16, 2008
Writers: Jeff Pinkner, J.J. Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci
Director: Paul Edwards
Guest Stars:
  • Mark Blum as Dr. Claus Penrose
  • Derek Cecil as Christopher Penrose
  • Betty Gilpin as Loraine Daisy
  • Elizabether Stanley as Stacy
  • Carmen Goodine as Amy
  • Bernie McInerney as Old Man Christopher
  • Ty Jones as Doctor
  • Danielle Skraastad as Nurse
  • Jacqueline Hendy as Nina's assistant
Featured song(s):
  • "Young Men Dead" by The Black Angels
  • "Skin Head" by The Glass Helmets
Synopsis: Olivia and the Bishops investigate the death of a woman who conceives, carries to full-term and gives birth to a baby in the span of a few hours. The baby, in turn, ages until dying of natural causes all within a very short time span [assumed only minutes, maybe an hour]. As Dr. Bishop runs tests, Olivia turns to Nina Sharp for help.

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Fringe Episode Case Files FIND THE PATTERN. FOLLOW THE CLUES.
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Episode 1.02 The Same Old Story - Fringe
Date: September 2008
Location: Boston, MA
New pattern occurrence(s):
Loraine Daisy conceives and gives
birth to baby within hours, then dies;
same baby ages 80 years in minutes, then dies
Parties involved: Loraine Daisy, Christopher,
Dr. Penrose, son of Dr. Penrose
Death(s):
Loraine Daisy,
unnamed "80-year-old-man-baby"
Method(s) used to solve:
Investigation by Agent Dunham,
the Bishops and Astrid Farnsworth
Technology used:
Viewing image burned in retina of murder
victim to deduce whereabouts of the killer using an
"Electronic Pulse Camera."
New clues: In Episode 1.01, there is an image of a pen
and a rose across the street from Massive Dynamic.
New Characters Introduced: Dr. Penrose [worked with Dr. Bishop years ago
on building the ultimate soldier by
using the rapid aging of humans]
Possible suspects/tie-ins:
Dr. Penrose fled the warehouse
Conclusion(s):
Loraine's baby was the result of being
impregnated by Christopher, who was part of an
experiment that aged people rapidly
See the bigger picture: Fringe Conspiracy or Theories by M.F. Luder & Madamecurie ››
UNANSWERED QUESTIONS & PLOT DANGLERS
  • What relationship does Broyles have with Massive Dynamic?
  • Why didn't the last team assembled to figure out The Pattern succeed?
  • Why does Broyles seem happy and pleased to meet Peter?
  • Did John Scott and Olivia Dunham use protection the last time they had sex? If not, what are the ramifications?
  • What "other things" besides the Pattern are Nina Sharp referring to?
  • Why does Broyles smile slightly when he hears that Nina said he was a good man?
  • What is Peter's medical history?
  • Who are the three men in the final image?
  • Why was the "Electronic Pulse Camera" originally called a "Millimeter Wave Camera" ? (According to the closed captioning.)
EPISODE'S BEST QUOTES
  • "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!! Don't leave me!!" - Loraine Daisy
  • "I've never seen a feature like this before. It warms your ass - it's wonderful!" - Dr. Walter Bishop
  • "I feel like I've been asleep for the last year. Every case that John and I worked together, I feel like I have to go back and find out what I missed." - Olivia Dunham
  • "I like to think I have some powers of deduction." - Charlie Francis
  • "You were supposed to be doing extensive testing! Our 80-year-old-man-baby! Remember that?" - Peter Bishop
  • "Even condoms are not 100% effective. You two should be aware of this." - Dr. Bishop
  • "I thought you had a way with women." - Dr. Bishop
  • "When was it you lost your imagination, son?" - Dr. Bishop
  • "Patient! You always were!" - Dr. Bishop
  • "He was blinded because he loved me ... he ... loved ... me ..." - Christopher
  • "0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55 ..." - Dr. Bishop (Fibonacci numbers - missing 5 in the sequence)
  • "1, 2, 33, 3, 77, 2, 21, 6, 110 ..." - Dr. Bishop
  • "That is so not happening." - Peter Bishop
  • "3-1, 4-1, 5-9 hah."- Dr Bishop opening lock, "Pi to 6 digits" - Peter Bishop
PLOT HOLES, INCONSISTENCIES OR JUST PLAIN IMPOSSIBLE?
Add unbelievable incidents or sci-fi faux pas to this list!
  • The real-life town of Stoughton, Massachusetts bears almost no resemblance to the location in the episode. Stoughton is a land-locked community, it does not sit on any waterfront, has no large docks or warehouses, and there is no Sargent Bridge or any large bridges at all.

  • The strange orange gel Olivia and Peter found at the hotel crime scene reminds Olivia of a serial killer case she and John Scott had worked on years before. Why were Federal Agents investigating serial killings? Murder isn't a federal offense. (The FBI's Behavioral Profiling Unit often consults on serial killer cases. Also, any serial killer who operates across state lines becomes a federal case.)
  • At the end of the episode, the victim of the serial killer goes in to cardiac arrest. on the heart monitor, she's in asystole, an absence of a heart rhythm, what most people would call a flatline.flat-line. it is physiologically impossible to defibrillate a patient in asystole into a normal sinus rhythm (a normal heart rhythm)...the only thing that would save her would be cpr.CPR. only ventricular tachycardia (long, fast waves on the screen) or ventricular fibrillation (crazy, aimless lines everywhere with no pattern whatsoever) could be fixed via defibrillation. You could shock an asystole patient, but nothing will happen. This ruined the show for me. --Unnamed Guest
  • The Electric Pulse Camera was supposed to show what the victim was looking at when she was drugged. She was looking at her murderer when she was drugged, she was not looking out the window. (Explanation : Olivia said that it must be ONE of the last things the victim saw, not the last.)

  • The aged baby went from what can be assumed to be a normal sized baby to a much larger 'old man', while the old age is somewhat feasible, it is not explained how the baby gained all that extra mass, essentially growing on thin air. This breaks conservation of mass.

  • There is no Wallace Bromley Medical Center in Boston. (There's no such company as Massive Dynamics, either. Fictional places are often used for any number of reasons, including to avoid creating associations with real locations.)

  • Transporting "secret " documents (as depicted in the beginingbeginnings of the episode) out of secure facilities, to personal residences is prohibited under federal law.

  • Investigating the motel room crime scene, neither Dunham or Bishop maintain any proper procedure for collecting evidence or proper attire for collecting evidence (such as booties, etc.)

  • There is no "Junior Agent" program within the FBI field office/lab tech program. The only Junior Agent (formerly called Junior G-Man) program is designed for 5th graders.

  • When Dunham and Bishop visit Boston College, there are full leafed trees on the campus, implying late spring or early summer. Yet in the earlier scene at the motel there are piles of snow visible in the background, implying the story arc was still squarely at the starting point in the winter.
OMG! MOMENTS
  • When Broyles and Nina Sharp were shown (along with others we don't know yet) discussing their new "team".



EPISODE TRIVIA
  • After the "encore presentation" of Episode 1.01 on Sept. 14, 2008, the lead to this episode was shown as a teaser.
  • Loraine Daisy sounds very much like Loraine Day who was the wife of Leo Durocher. Even the first name is spelled the same.
  • The Observer can be seen in the hospital as the team come in, just before they examine the dead/aged body.
Episode 1.02 The Same Old Story - Fringe
PHOTOS
Episode 1.02 The Same Old Story - Fringe
Oh my god, that is disgusting!
Episode 1.02 The Same Old Story - Fringe

OH MY GOD! EVEN WORSE!


Episode 1.02 The Same Old Story - Fringe
Mr. Penrose, Dr. Walter Bishop's long friend.

Episode 1.02 The Same Old Story - Fringe
"EWWWWW!"